Cleghorn trails blocked??

[mJUSTINm]

A lot of the harder offshoots were blocked, but not everything (yet?). Thanks for taking those pictures to show what I was talking about.

[Mitch]

That picture of me with Kurt hanging off the side of my Jeep is my favorite! Mike (Mr Green) and Kurt (Ratpatrol) took me on a training mission. It was a Best ever time! My current screen saver.

We have be warned (threatened that this was coming!) Too bad that this was a numbered trail and by-pass and was created origanally as a fire block for fire protection and was bull-dozed as such. I will have to look for the trail number, but the the by-passes were listed as a seperate legal trail.

mitch

[aw12345]

I think that after the meet and greet a caravan to the ranger station is in order to stage a protest. It's about time to stop taking this lying down, atleast let our displeasure be known

[Roger]

You should talk to Mitch about this area. He damn-near got a ticket last year while on a Cleghorn bi-pass.

[Russ Chung]

The SBNF MVUM

I'm disappointed--but not surprised--that after 20+ posts, no one has mentioned that the authoritative source of legal motorized trails is the San Bernardino National Forest Motorized Vehicle Use Map (SBNF MVUM). This map came out in November, 2009 and is available at any Ranger Station and on the web:
http://www.fs.fed.us/r5/sanbernardin...hv/index.shtml

This map is the result of the Forest Service Travel Management planning process which began in 2005. Bottom line, if a trail is not on this map, you cannot legally take a motorized vehicle on that trail. Note that some trails are open to all vehicles, some are open to highway legal vehicles only, some are open to vehicles 50" or less in width, and some are open to motorcycles only. In the case of the Cleghorn Ridge Trail 2N47, the only side trail shown is 3N22; none of the fun alternate trails are on the MVUM.

[Mitch]

Thanks Russ for the Info. Before anything else is said, I want to thank Doug, Jeff, Greg and any other that fights with our trail use in mind

Regardless of that MVUM. We have lost another trail that was a numbered, legal trail. Our public access is dwindling away as we watch. This is a disgusting thing to me. The dollars and time involved in blocking established trails and the benefit is to who? Remember who originally made these trails? Firebreak?

The so called By-Pass trails were numbered by the Foresty Service as X2W47. There are numerous refereneces to this on Google Search. There are older Forestry OHV publications that also list this established trail by it's designation and number.

These trails are listed in "4-Wheelers Guide" Trails of the San Bernardino Mountains, in "California Backroads & 4-Wheel Adventures", and "Back Country Adventures".

More references at "Dirtopia-The Off-Road Encyclopedia" and also "OHVguide.com

Too bad this was allowed to be changed from a legal established Numbered trail to another of the closed no access trails. Kinda Sucks!

Mitch

[Guest]

That is a darn shame, looks like they made that quite permanent

x2! Their point was made.

[Russ Chung]

San Bernardino National Forest route restoration project

Here's a message that was sent by Greg Hoffman, SBNF OHV Co-ordinator this morning:

As you may know, some of the unauthorized routes (bypasses) on Cleghorn have been blocked and slashed with brush. Some of the bypasses that are not blocked will become legal, designated, numbered roads.

This effort is part of the SBNF travel management decision. All of the closures should reflect the final SBNF Motor Vehicle Use Map. The contract restoration crews and equipment are starting this project on the west side of the main divide (I-15) and working east. Finishing east of Big Bear.

The crews are in the Lake Arrowhead area this week. The Contractor is working quickly and efficiently.

If you have any concerns or comments about this project or need any specifics, please contact me.

Hopefully, you were able to attend any of our Travel Management Open House meetings and comment on these projects over the past five years.

Thank you very much,

Greg.

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[Old Fart]

Thanks Russ for the Info. Before anything else is said, I want to thank Doug, Jeff, Greg and any other that fights with our trail use in mind

The so called By-Pass trails were numbered by the Foresty Service as X2W47. There are numerous refereneces to this on Google Search. There are older Forestry OHV publications that also list this established trail by it's designation and number.

These trails are listed in "4-Wheelers Guide" Trails of the San Bernardino Mountains, in "California Backroads & 4-Wheel Adventures", and "Back Country Adventures".

More references at "Dirtopia-The Off-Road Encyclopedia" and also "OHVguide.com

Mitch

X2W47, or 2W47X?

[FishPOET]

I got involved with the SBNFA OHV Volunteer Program in 2002 because I wanted to know what trails were open and legal to ride on/drive on and I wanted the information from a reputable source. Since 2002 it has been my understanding that the bypasses on Cleghorn were unauthorized routes. I personally have never seen a USFS OHV publication that listed the bypasses as open and I have never seen a Designated Vehicle Route (DVR) sign stating that the bypasses are legal routes. Some of that will be changing in the near future as some bypass routes will become authorized and signed with a DVR.

I hate losing trails to permanent closures. Permanent closures have become the management tool of choice for cash strapped public agencies. Having said that I truly believe the SBNF and Greg Hoffman in particular have done an outstanding job in keeping open and maintaining over 300 miles of authorized routes in the SBNF while resisting great pressure to use "Permanent Closures" as part of their management solutions. We have access to the very best trail system on any National Forest in the US.

I challenge each and every member of MJR to respect the Cleghorn closures, respect all the work that the SBNF has done for us, and get involved as much as possible in helping the SBNF to keep its authorized routes open for many future generations.

[Materdaddy]

I got involved with the SBNFA OHV Volunteer Program in 2002 because I wanted to know what trails were open and legal to ride on/drive on and I wanted the information from a reputable source. Since 2002 it has been my understanding that the bypasses on Cleghorn were unauthorized routes. I personally have never seen a USFS OHV publication that listed the bypasses as open and I have never seen a Designated Vehicle Route (DVR) sign stating that the bypasses are legal routes. Some of that will be changing in the near future as some bypass routes will become authorized and signed with a DVR.

I hate losing trails to permanent closures. Permanent closures have become the management tool of choice for cash strapped public agencies. Having said that I truly believe the SBNF and Greg Hoffman in particular have done an outstanding job in keeping open and maintaining over 300 miles of authorized routes in the SBNF while resisting great pressure to use "Permanent Closures" as part of their management solutions. We have access to the very best trail system on any National Forest in the US.

I challenge each and every member of MJR to respect the Cleghorn closures, respect all the work that the SBNF has done for us, and get involved as much as possible in helping the SBNF to keep its authorized routes open for many future generations.

Very well put Doug! Thanks for all of your time and hard work that all of us benefit from. It is greatly appreciated.

[flatout]

Its a shame to loose such a great beginner trail where you could take some one and push them to appreciate the capability's of a 4x4 and feel like they just concurred the world.
Just goggle that trail and you can see how much those trails were used.I feel closing them is a slap in the face of 4x4 community by SBNF

[Old Fart]

This has been discussed here before:
http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/ar...hp/t-8106.html

If the trail ever had a 2W47X DVR (which means it had to have been signed as such), it would have been a legal 50" or 24" trail - not full size. We don't use the "W" or "E" designations for full size trails/roads.

[dirtman13]

Well said Doug.

I have only been involved in the AAT program for a short time and while this closure does not make me very happy I know now there are people in the SBNFS that are looking out for the off road community. Not just trying to keep us out. Individuals like Greg, Jeff, and Doug (who all have Jeeps) look out for all of you more then you know. Without people like them we could and would be worse off. Get involved in AAT or OHV and you will see what I’m talking about.