Winch Set up

[TJSUPE]

I am thinking about purchasing a winch while the prices are good during the holidays and I had a question about set up. Is a second battery required for a winch, or can you get buy with one battery?

As with most mods, I know there are other things I need to purchase to get this winch working; Mounting plate, accessories....... is there anything other than the ordinary I need to purchase?

I am thinking of the Warn 9.5ti.

[Old Fart]

Ran all my winches up to the last two vehicles on a single battery. 2 is better - not necessary.

Get the winch "accessories" kit that has the chain, snatch block, tree saver, etc - then pick up at least two more clevis' - they come in handy.

Although I have a Ramsey winch - I bought the Warn accessory kit.

[NAILER341]

you can run it with one battery. an alternator upgrade cant hurt, as that is what usually beats up the winch.
of course, we prefer the synthetic winch lines over the cable. if you can buy the winch with no cable, it will save you money in the long run.

[goodtimes]

I run my winch off of a single (OE) battery with a stock alternator. On a HEAVY pull, it will pull my electrical system down to 9.5 volts @2500rpm. So, a dual battery would be nice....but as mentioned, you can run one without it. Just be aware of the extra heat that is created when your amp draw spikes due to the voltage loss (my ew-9000 pulls just over 550 amps when the voltage drops that low).

Synthetic rope is cool...but damn is it expensive! I run steel until I can fit the synthetic in the budget. Do not be afraid to use it.....just take all the necessary precautions with it. A flying cable to the head would ruin your weekend. If you have the $$$, it is a good upgrade from the start.

Dukes can probably get you a good price on Outbacks winch acc kit. It is a nice collection of quality gear.

[TJSUPE]

Awesome, Thanks guys for the info. Any other opinions and thought are much appreciated.

I have seen some great prices with PORC and with OffroadOverstock on the Warn Winches right now. I have to make my decision quickly though. Wish my Bonus would come sooner! (Hopefully I get one now that I said that!)

[blackZZR]

TJSUPE
if you look at your battery, it will more than likely be of less cranking amps than the winch manufacturer states. Do not run out an buy a new battery, the old one will work just fine untillyou kill it with the winch. My battery is rated 600 cca and Warn wants a 650 cca for my xd9000i, been running it for over 6 months now and it works just fine. Now if I used my winch like Nailer does, sometimes I wonder if he bought a jeep just so he could work a winch, then a biggger batttery would be needed immediately, as would a bigger altenator.
however, in 6 months time my winch has been unspooled areound 5 times
once for stretching
twice to pull something off trail
once to get myself out of a stupid nubes mistake
and once to pull a tree out of my back yard

[blkTJ]

for synth winch rope call John at winchline.com. tell him you love Iceland. tell him blue rubicons rock. tell him your from MJR... you might get a good deal.

[Old Fart]

Lots of things you can do to make winches happier electrically. I usually toss the factory cabling and run heavier high strand welding cable - but most folks don't have the tools to crimp the ends (no, you don't solder welding cables!).

If the winch doesn't come with a dedicated ground cable - that's probably one of the better improvements to make. Good conductors, straight to the battery, buy marine grade battery terminals and keep them clean.

[cjdirtbiker]

Welding Cable?

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...toss the factory cabling and run heavier high strand welding cable - but most folks don't have the tools to crimp the ends (no, you don't solder welding cables!).
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Why not??
I soldered mine

No. 1 welding cable, custom installation with solonoids mounted under the hood.

Could there be enough heat to melt the solder? I've winched mine pretty hard just a couple of times is all, no problem yet. In fact, the cables don't even get warm. Could be a mess if the positive side came loose though. What am I missing?

[aston]

x2

welding cable is worth the effort, I soldered mine, no probs so far.

Use the main battery posts for the winch and the side posts for the starter.

get all the goodies here:

http://www.wranglernw.com/

[Old Fart]

Can't get the penetration to make a really good connection with soldering, and if you could - you'd make the ends brittle. IF you could get the ends, you could exothermic weld them (Cadweld/Tectoweld) (very high heat, very short duration) - but those type connections aren't designed for moving/vibration style environments.

You may have gotten it to work, and if the cable is sized properly it might even not fail - but there are no industrial uses of high strand cabling of this type that would even consider a thermic weld process.

If you ever replace one of your cables - cut the connection apart with a band saw - after that I'll be more than happy to loan you my industrial crimper

[cjdirtbiker]

Can't get the penetration to make a really good connection with soldering, and if you could - you'd make the ends brittle. IF you could get the ends, you could exothermic weld them (Cadweld/Tectoweld) (very high heat, very short duration) - but those type connections aren't designed for moving/vibration style environments.

You may have gotten it to work, and if the cable is sized properly it might even not fail - but there are no industrial uses of high strand cabling of this type that would even consider a thermic weld process.

If you ever replace one of your cables - cut the connection apart with a band saw - after that I'll be more than happy to loan you my industrial crimper

My terminals are sized to match the cable, and I fed in about 5" of flux core solder using a propane torch. I wonder where all the solder goes. It does make the last couple of inches of cable rigid so it felt like the terminals had made a good connection.

I think your test is a good idea though. I'll make one up and cut it apart and see how the solder penetrated the cable.

That's odd. The guys at McFadden-Dale industrial supply said that was the way to go. And I thought I read somewhere else that soldering was the best way to make up cables.

Thanks for the heads up! I sure wouldn't want them to fail out on the trail.

[Britain]

I am thinking about purchasing a winch while the prices are good during the holidays and I had a question about set up. Is a second battery required for a winch, or can you get buy with one battery?

As with most mods, I know there are other things I need to purchase to get this winch working; Mounting plate, accessories....... is there anything other than the ordinary I need to purchase?

I am thinking of the Warn 9.5ti.

I'm running the duel odyssey dry cell set-up. Check the specks of the dry cells vrs wet. Not sure if it polite to advertise the web page.

One thing I do know once the bat is low v the amps kick up and that burns the motor out of the winch. Burned a couple out in my earlier days.

Did have an ole 64 land rover my dad and I restored had a power take off from the transfer case to drive it. While pulling out a tree the cable broke and took out the front window ( we just restored the thing).

[Old Fart]

My terminals are sized to match the cable, and I fed in about 5" of flux core solder using a propane torch. I wonder where all the solder goes. It does make the last couple of inches of cable rigid so it felt like the terminals had made a good connection.

I think your test is a good idea though. I'll make one up and cut it apart and see how the solder penetrated the cable.

That's odd. The guys at McFadden-Dale industrial supply said that was the way to go. And I thought I read somewhere else that soldering was the best way to make up cables.

Thanks for the heads up! I sure wouldn't want them to fail out on the trail.

Solder is into the strands, just real hard to get uniform flow without destroying the insulation. "In the industry", I've never seen a soldered connection for cabling of this type - always a compression connection. As an example, the Central Office that your regular telephone service goes back to (or the Mobile Switching Center that your Cellular/PCS phone goes back to) runs on -48VDC. Most of the distribution runs are parallel 777 or 999 MCM cable (imagine the "wire" part of the cable being over an inch in diameter). You'll never find anything but a compression connector in that environment.

(Guess what I used to do for a living)

[D4x4Fish]

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