help with dana 30 axel install

[pdw]

WAY overpriced , here you go http://www.4wheelerssupply.com/catal...ducts_id/71570

WOW! That's a quite a difference! I wish that I would have known then.......So, you are out of Missouri? For future reference, what do you charge for freight? The folks over at Quadratec seem to make up there cost on freight charges.

[mrblaine]

Ghostrider needs to get out and play more with folks that know their equipment, their limits and still get where they need to go with a minimum of hassle, drama, and fuss.

I have a set of Erik's hubs in my driveway right now that were used for so long without breaking that they got plum wore out.

Not many folks can say they wore out a set of hubs without breaking them. Not meaning the hubs are deficient, that's just a lot of wheeling.

[Elusive]

Ghostrider needs to get out and play more with folks that know their equipment, their limits and still get where they need to go with a minimum of hassle, drama, and fuss.

I have a set of Erik's hubs in my driveway right now that were used for so long without breaking that they got plum wore out.

Not many folks can say they wore out a set of hubs without breaking them. Not meaning the hubs are deficient, that's just a lot of wheeling.

I'll bite.
locking hubs will always be the weakest link in any axle. I can't keep a set in my jeep and I have tried warn premium, mile marker, OEM stuff. This is on a D-44 with 35" tires on the larger stronger internal spline type. Even on the front 60's I have run the hubs were always the weak link.
I have PERSONALLY seen at least 5 dana 30 hubs blown to bits. Sure hope they didn't have a detroit.
But of course, this is because none of the folks I wheel with know their equipment, their limits and still get where they need to go with a minimum of hassle, drama, and fuss

[mrblaine]

I'll bite.
locking hubs will always be the weakest link in any axle. I can't keep a set in my jeep and I have tried warn premium, mile marker, OEM stuff. This is on a D-44 with 35" tires on the larger stronger internal spline type. Even on the front 60's I have run the hubs were always the weak link.
I have PERSONALLY seen at least 5 dana 30 hubs blown to bits. Sure hope they didn't have a detroit.
But of course, this is because none of the folks I wheel with know their equipment, their limits and still get where they need to go with a minimum of hassle, drama, and fuss

Of course you'd bite and I knew you would. Why do you think I said it the way I did? Easier than shootin fish in a barrel. There's always a few folks that can break a steel ball in a rubber room and then there's the rest of the folks who get by just fine day in and day out.

I had a HP 44 front once upon a time with Warn Inners and the big hub kit. I broke a CTM and never hurt the axles. Does than mean everyone will or anyone should avoid 44's, CTM's and the Warn Premium hubs?

And I've seen 5 of the small hubs explode, but that doesn't mean they aren't a viable option for a large number of folks and that's proven everytime we go out there. But, you already know that, yet you can't resist telling us it shouldn't be done. Whatever.

Stuff breaks, all stuff breaks. So what? If it doesn't work for you, don't automatically assume that it won't work well for others for a very long time.



btw-it's nice to see you're still around, now we'll see how long it takes for the rest to show up.

[ghostrider]

haha

my comment was about the fact that you can get a better axle for the price of hubs, not to mention this is a dana 30. by the time you pay for hubs and shafts you are well over 1600. then if you want to truss it add more, high steer, spring over, locker you can keep adding to that price. just because a mech. told the other guy not run full shafts without hubs doesnt mean it dont work for everyone. hell that mech runs 37 swampers on a dana 30. i know cuz i wheel with the guy sometimes.
im sure if nailer could go back with what he knows now he would build himself a bigger axle. he went with an 8.8 rather buying a super 35 kit didnt he.
yeah i guess once i get more post i will have all the knowledge. web wheeling baby
like you say
Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about. :2:

[pdw]

my comment was about the fact that you can get a better axle for the price of hubs, not to mention this is a dana 30. by the time you pay for hubs and shafts you are well over 1600. then if you want to truss it add more, high steer, spring over, locker you can keep adding to that price. just because a mech. told the other guy not run full shafts without hubs doesnt mean it dont work for everyone. hell that mech runs 37 swampers on a dana 30. i know cuz i wheel with the guy sometimes.
im sure if nailer could go back with what he knows now he would build himself a bigger axle. he went with an 8.8 rather buying a super 35 kit didnt he.
yeah i guess once i get more post i will have all the knowledge. web wheeling baby
like you say
Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about. :2:

I could not have said that better myself! Thank you for clarifying everything! :yay:

But, I'd like to know: Where it is that you purchased this front axle for less than a hub kit? I want one!

[blkTJ]

FWIW, I've run the small hubs on 30s for just as long as Erik. maybe longer. on 35s. never broke one. :2:

[Kodiak Spirit]

I am running the D30 up front with the hardened shafts, and a Detroit locker, 35" MTR's with no problems... I couldn't afford the hubs, and now that I have been driving it for a couple of years this way I realize I don't need no stinkin' hubs...

[paulhead]

I am running the D30 up front with the hardened shafts, and a Detroit locker, 35" MTR's with no problems... I couldn't afford the hubs, and now that I have been driving it for a couple of years this way I realize I don't need no stinkin' hubs...

I'm actually thinking of swapping my hubs out of my YJ (trail rig) and into my XJ (daily) that I got a lockright and alloys up front in.

[pdw]

FWIW, I've run the small hubs on 30s for just as long as Erik. maybe longer. on 35s. never broke one. :2:

I am running the D30 up front with the hardened shafts, and a Detroit locker, 35" MTR's with no problems... I couldn't afford the hubs, and now that I have been driving it for a couple of years this way I realize I don't need no stinkin' hubs...

I'm actually thinking of swapping my hubs out of my YJ (trail rig) and into my XJ (daily) that I got a lockright and alloys up front in.

I guess somebody understood my sarcasm........

[mrblaine]

my comment was about the fact that you can get a better axle for the price of hubs, not to mention this is a dana 30.

Really? First, a better axle just to be the same would have to have alloy inners, outers, and 760 joints just to be equal. Even if someone gave you a HP 44, that leaves you only a few hundred bucks to get it cleaned up and fitted into your rig and that's only if it's stock and you haven't regeared.

by the time you pay for hubs and shafts you are well over 1600.

Where are you getting these prices from?

then if you want to truss it add more, high steer, spring over, locker you can keep adding to that price.

Where are you getting this stuff from. I don't see the need to truss a 30 or any other front axle for that matter.

High steer is high steer regardless of the front axle you run and it's going to be an additional expenditure no matter how you slice it. Lockers the same, gears the same, try to stay in context here.

just because a mech. told the other guy not run full shafts without hubs doesnt mean it dont work for everyone. hell that mech runs 37 swampers on a dana 30. i know cuz i wheel with the guy sometimes.

Whatever.

im sure if nailer could go back with what he knows now he would build himself a bigger axle. he went with an 8.8 rather buying a super 35 kit didnt he.

His 8.8 is upgraded with the Super 88 kit, so I'm sure that whatever he built would have alloy shafts and an ARB, what's your point?

yeah i guess once i get more post i will have all the knowledge. web wheeling baby

Please by all means keep going. You're doing quite nicely at perpetuating all the internet myths and it seems you've learned a bunch so far.

like you say
Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about. :2:

And there's a fair bunch of ya'll that keep making it more applicable day by day.

[ghostrider]

haha

this is f-in funny. i run a 30 up front to with 35's aussie locker and 4.56 gears, with no hubs:omg:. i do wheel it also on real trails and not roads. so it does see its fair share of abuse. never said it was a shitty axle. i just said i wouldnt put hubs in it. the price of hubs are 1183 frm quatratec, and the alloy usa shafts are 564.99. add that up and bingo. i guess im just a little better at math than you.
from pdw:
"I think that it needs some sort of truss to support the axle tubes if you are going to run tires that are bigger than 35"s. "
that is why i said truss it.
ive been out in the real world learning first hand, not just reading the internet. if i could go back i would pay for diff. things and have more for my money now.
. as much as i get a good laugh from this ill just stop. i can tell that blaine is a stubborn ass like myself. cant wait to meet you on the trail. seem like a funny character.
and pdw for $175 you can pick a waggy 44 up in adelanto and throw 1000 at it and you have a nice axle. hell im looking to buy a j20 with a 60 rear and 44 front for $600. that would be pretty nice. weld up front and rear call it good and wheel it. after all that is what i bought my jeep for.

i cant help myself .the bs happenen here is over whether or not to get hubs, spend the money, on the 30 when you put in solid shafts, after taking out the vacuum disco. i personally think its a waste of money for the 30. but thats my opinion.
my front driveshaft shakes to no end but i dont care it rides on a trailer.

[cbrazor1]

im locked (lockright) in the front dana 30 4.88s have no prob lem on the street or towing it ,dont need hubs drives great without them , but i guesss its prefrence

[blkTJ]

so none of you see any advantage to hubs in the front huh??? I'd have to guess you never drove a Jeep without all that junk spinning up there, especially after you tweak a driveshaft.

Kurt, where the hell are you, weren't we just talking about this???

[cbrazor1]

i can see some benifits yes , no vibration at higher speeds , ring gear damage or problems upfront you can lock out there are benifits .