Pay attention to this one guys and gals

[Shadly1]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23688073?GT1=43001

Even if you don't own a gun, this is very important. It's probably just hype, but could end up being an official legal definition of the Second Amendment.

[sarah]

Yeah, you're right, that's all hype. Wake up!

[maddmike]

Yeah, you're right, that's all hype. Wake up!

HA!! nice one sarah. thanks, amendment #1.

[Shadly1]

Yeah, you're right, that's all hype. Wake up!

What do you mean? I don't know the exact process, but I'm sure such an important process can't be as easy as that to change the meaning of an Amendment, let alone one on the Bill of Rights! I don't refer to the case as being hype, I refer to the text of the article. I would be PISSED if the meaning of the US Constitution could be altered without my input.

[blkTJ]

I would be PISSED if the meaning of the US Constitution could be altered without my input.

until you find yourself sitting on the supreme court, you're not that important.

[sarah]

What do you mean? I don't know the exact process, but I'm sure such an important process can't be as easy as that to change the meaning of an Amendment, let alone one on the Bill of Rights! I don't refer to the case as being hype, I refer to the text of the article. I would be PISSED if the meaning of the US Constitution could be altered without my input.

That's why I said you need to wake up!

[Shadly1]

blkTJ- YES! That's the big deal here. Whether or not the Supreme Court has the power to make a determination like that. They "shouldn't" according to the amendment process. It doesn't work like that. I honestly think that what they determine is of less importance than if they have the power to do so.

sarah- What is your opinion on this? By your comments to me, your opinion appears to be different than mine. I would like to know, not for the sake of ridiculing you, but for a little input on where you're coming from.

[sarah]

Our gun rights are threatened all the time. The ATF is constantly bullying citizens, like this one. States have begun to speak out about this, like Montana. And California is among the worst! Yikes!! The general public is sitting back watching our rights disappear, while thinking, "this won't happen to us, it's just hype!"

I'm sure you understand why gun ownership is this, and any country, is important.

CONSIDER THESE -- In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated. In 1911,

Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated.

It has now been many months since gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more than $500 million dollars. The results Australia-wide: homicides are up 3.2%, assaults are up 8%, armed robberies are up 44%. In that country's state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300%. Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns."

It's time to state it plainly; guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens. Take action before it's too late, write or call your delegation.

Paul Harvey .... source

[blkTJ]

blkTJ- YES! That's the big deal here. Whether or not the Supreme Court has the power to make a determination like that. They "shouldn't" according to the amendment process. It doesn't work like that. I honestly think that what they determine is of less importance than if they have the power to do so.

they're not amending they're interpreting, that is their power, they interpret the law.

[Mr. Orange]

What do you mean? I don't know the exact process, but I'm sure such an important process can't be as easy as that to change the meaning of an Amendment, let alone one on the Bill of Rights! I don't refer to the case as being hype, I refer to the text of the article. I would be PISSED if the meaning of the US Constitution could be altered without my input.

You have heard of the "Patriot Act" right? That was instituted with out any public approval. That took away a ton of constitutional rights.

[Kodiak Spirit]

the main problem with the argument is that the bill of rights does not grant any rights, it affirms God given rights that shall not be infringed upon. The Idea that the constitution or any other legal paperwork can give one the right to say what he wants or protect himself is crazy, those rights are God given and cannot be taken away, the "Amendments" simply confirm them. The idea that any court can interpret a God given right away from the people is crazy and should be fought with the same rights God gave us, to ARMS if need be!

[92yj]

well i would buy the guns you want now. i am worried by the people running for president taking away our firearms. i love my guns, love to shoot and will not give them up for any reason at all! guns don't kill people, people kill people. with out guns people will still kill others. people are always going to find ways to do what they want.

[CalFireGuy]

When I took my firearms course they told a story about Australia and how they did away with guns. Rape went up 700% and they have since changed their policy and have allowed guns to be owned again.

[Schmo]

I don't understand what you are all belly aching about . . . isn't the whole point of the government to victimize the innocent and protect the criminal? Come on now, we all know we'll be in a much better position when only criminals are armed. I for one sleep better knowing I've got a loaded shotgun next to the bed . . . to quote my mother "the only security system I need is a dog and a gun"!

I'm hesitant to quote a hippie in an anti gun control thread but true is true . . . "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose".

[Kodiak Spirit]

an y'know the sick criminal bastards know it...