Towing Question

What about all the cars being towed behind motorhomes?

The motor home has an air link in the rear to hook up to the vehicle in the rear Some have electric too.

A lot of the vehicles being towed behind motor homes have auxiliary braking systems.

I flat towed my CJ behind F150's and an F250 for years and never had a problem, but at times I wish I had more braking power, like coming to a quick stop on a downhill. Towing it on a trailer with brakes on both axles is much more reassuring. I would imagine flat towing with auxiliary brakes is much the same, especially if you have to hit the brakes while in a corner.

Correct. motor homes have it It's the panic stop your worried about. Not the slow braking in traffic.

Then how come tow dollies are legal?
They have no brakes and like most single axle trailers they do weigh about 1500LBS unloaded. If it was illegal
they would not be for rent in this fine state of California, seems to me there is a distinction like a 2 axle trailer or something, haven't seen very many single axle trailers with brakes on them yet. Tow bar is a different animal yet. You think a single axle trailer with 2 seedoos on it weighs less than 1500lbs?

There is an old saying in law enforcement. Just because they rent it or sale doesn't mean it's legal to use the way you want to use it for

As for the sea doos. The weight is above 1500 as well. Same as buying a 16x8' trailer. You can buy with or without brakes. It's up to you. They will sale you anything. Geez I had this clown try to sell us the 26ft toy hauler and say a 1500 tahoe could tow it just fine "It has a v8". Sad, it's more than the v8 that decides what you can tow. Axle width, 1500 or 2500, size brakes, weight of your vehicle doing the towing (there is a % of your vehicle to the vehicle being towed), etc, etc.

I posted the CHP number. I called and they picked up right away. Call them.

Scott what do you plan on towing the Jeep with? What is your tow rig? Lets start there and make sure its enough of a vehicle.



And yes Flat towing or towing anything 1500 or more needs to have brakes by law. Do they 99% no..

Good start. That was some of my reply above. Sometimes the tow vehicle can't tow the weight.

[tool pimp]

Scott what do you plan on towing the Jeep with? What is your tow rig? Lets start there and make sure its enough of a vehicle.



And yes Flat towing or towing anything 1500 or more needs to have brakes by law. Do they 99% no..

[Double AA]

What about all the cars being towed behind motorhomes?

A lot of the vehicles being towed behind motor homes have auxiliary braking systems.

I flat towed my CJ behind F150's and an F250 for years and never had a problem, but at times I wish I had more braking power, like coming to a quick stop on a downhill. Towing it on a trailer with brakes on both axles is much more reassuring. I would imagine flat towing with auxiliary brakes is much the same, especially if you have to hit the brakes while in a corner.

[curtis]

What about all the cars being towed behind motorhomes?

[aw12345]

Then how come tow dollies are legal?
They have no brakes and like most single axle trailers they do weigh about 1500LBS unloaded. If it was illegal
they would not be for rent in this fine state of California, seems to me there is a distinction like a 2 axle trailer or something, haven't seen very many single axle trailers with brakes on them yet. Tow bar is a different animal yet. You think a single axle trailer with 2 seedoos on it weighs less than 1500lbs?

I called CHP in Victorville 760-241-1186 and asked if a friend of mine is towing a jeep with a tow bar does he need the brakes hooked up? He replied, "yes". I asked is it over 3,000lbs or 1500lbs? He replied, "1500lbs in California".

If you need any help Scott, call me. I can point you in the right direction :thumbs_up

[Jerry Bransford]

You sure it's 1500 lbs. in California? It used to be 3000 lbs. My pop-up tent trailer that comes in perhaps 1800 lbs. loaded GCVW came with electric brakes but the trailer salesman told me when I bought it new that they weren't yet legally needed... that they were just good to have so all their pop-up trailers come with electric brakes no matter how small. I do like having them, I am just not sure of the legal requires where the trailer's weight is concerned. I think it's 3000 lbs. but you certainly could be right saying it's 1500 lbs... I'm not 100% sure on my 3000 lb. thought.

The wording I saw says anything being towed (cars, motorcycles, etc) if it's over 1500 lbs, you have to have aux brakes. I think the PC was set up for more safety than anything. Had a friend send me some pics of a car accident. Guy was pulling a boat (without brakes) Big boat at that. Not small. He lost control. Couldn't stop the boat with his small suv. Which should have never been used to pulled the boat (Just because it's a v8 doesn't mean it can pull anything. More factors involved). Anyway, ruined a familes life. He's in an orange jump suit awaiting trial. He would to have loved to just have got a ticket by CHP. Your call.

[Jerry Bransford]

You say the steering should remain unlocked during FLAT towing... what do you do when you head off pavement?

Flat towing just means that you're towing the Jeep with all four of its tires on the ground. The term has nothing to do with being on or off-road.

[aw12345]

I doubt you need all that stuff, even though a brake controller of sorts for the Jeep would be nice. They are just very expensive. Towed mine to Moab and Shaver lake just the way it is haven;t seen a Highway patroller yet that decided to bother me. So don't worry, put the trans in gear, the transfer case in neutral unlock the steering, get the get lights for towing, towbar, adjustable hitch from harbor freight and have at it

[OU812]

Does this apply to flat towing?

You have to leave the key in it and leave the steering wheel unlocked. Do lots of homework because if you flat tow wrong you can do some damage. One important thing that is often overlooked when flat towing Jeeps is the angle of the tow bar. The tow bar should be 3-4 inches higher on the towball then where it attaches to the vehicle being towed. Under heavy braking, if the ball is lowwer then the vechile being towed will climb into the back of your tow rig.

Here is a question. I thought in California, if you tow over 1500lbs you needed aux brakes (hooked up to a brake controller)? Also a "break away".

Here is a link. There maybe be cheaper and better ones. But, it's a start.
http://www.m-gengineering.com/BrakeSystem.html

[OU812]

Anytime you are flat towing on pavement or dirt the steering should be unlocked(key in ignition). Also remember backing up is not a great idea. Because the caster angel in the suspention the wheels like to trun themselves in reverse and you may not end up going the direction you want to be going. Its differnet thenbacking up a trailer.

[Dezertdog]

THanks Scott,
Good detail to be aware of.

Scott

[Dezertdog]

The steering wheel must be kept unlocked while flat towing. Also, make sure the transmission is either IN gear or in Park and the transfer case is in Neutral.

You say the steering should remain unlocked during FLAT towing... what do you do when you head off pavement?