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  • Trail Report: Stocker run to Mule Canyon, Tin Can Alley, Hidden Valley & Bismark Mine

    Maybe I should have titled this one "Lost in the Desert!" :confused2

    My buddy Walter recently got a Jeep Rubicon and I wanted to take him out exploring. We were going to go on Saturday, but wound up changing the plan to Sunday. It was a gorgeous day! (I'll apologize up front for not snapping any pics.)

    The plan was to follow the directions that Charles Wells has in his book "Guide to Southern California and Backroads & 4-Wheel Drive Trails" for Wall St. Canyon Overlook. We started on Calico Rd. and expected to come out on Fort Irwin Rd.

    I'm still getting used to using my GPS, but had already input all of the waypoints for Calico that are listed in the book. I also printed a map with those waypoints on it from Garmin's MapSource software.

    Between the description in the book and looking at the GPS and paper map I had with me, I managed to easily get us through the western half of Mule Canyon Rd. and up Tin Can Alley into Hidden Valley.

    In Hidden Valley, we wandered to the right when I should have wandered to the left, but that was a short fun detour and gave me a chance to play with the GPS a bit to get us back on track.

    Once back on track, I managed to make the correct turns by the north end of Odessa Canyon (thanks to the waypoints) and took us down a cool rocky hill into the Bismark Mine.

    We had lunch at the Bismark Mine and proceeded to crawl in and out of every hole in the ground we could find at the main part of that site. It was a very cool mine! It was a mountain that had been mined first using conventional tunnels and then later strip mined, which created a cross section of the tunnels. It was like looking at one of those ant farms that many of us had as kids.

    Now we come to the point where things got tricky. We couldn't really figure out which trail to take from Bismark Mine to the Wall St. Canyon Overlook and then on to the old Stone Cabin.

    We tried a few different routes and wound up backing up or turning around because they were dead ends. We did that for about an hour.

    Walter had some of those little hand held walkie-talkies and I decided to leave Walter with the Jeeps and go out on foot with my GPS looking for the way to the Overlook. My thought was that I could cover more ground without the Jeep and go through areas that the Jeeps couldn't in my quest for the right route. Every once in a while I'd climb up a hill to establish communications and let Walter know that I was still trying to figure it out.

    The confusing part was that I don't have the most detailed version of the topo software in my Garmin 60CSx. Each line shows an elevation change of 150 feet, so there were all sorts of hills and canyons that I couldn't see on my map.

    After wandering up and down canyons at a pretty brisk pace for about an hour and a half I thought I had found the right road. So, I followed that road back to the Bismark Mine and figured we'd take the Jeeps on a search for the Wall St. Overlook or the Stone Cabin.

    We followed various trails for about an hour and a half and kept getting turned in the direction of Calico Mountain (I think that's the one with all the communications equipment on it.)

    At about a half hour before sunset, we decided to rush back to Bismark Mine and go back out the way we came in.

    This worked out and we got back to Calico Rd. in about an hour from Bismark Mine.

    It was quite an adventure and we had a lot of fun, but Walter had made plans that evening that he was unable to keep. Luckily, he had cell reception and was able to let people know that we were out "lost in the desert" and that he'd be unable to make it back when he had originally planned.

    I need to get someone who knows the last part of that route help me find it. I still want to see the Wall Street Overlook, the Stone Cabin, the St. Louis Mine and the Silver Bow mine.

    Next time, I'll take pictures!

    Christian
    "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

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    start of crossover trail. 34°58'19.96"N, 116°51'57.06"W
    end off crossover trail 34°58'22.28"N, 116°52'20.30"W

    that is the trail i use to get from bismark to wallstreet. i ran into the same problem as you before i found this trail. its pretty faint but you can see it on google earth. maybe someone can chime in with a better route.

    oh and silver bow will require a small length of rope or tow strap to safely get in. id recommended only one person on the ladder at a time so that rocks dont cut loose onto the lower person.
    Last edited by troyboy162; 03-03-10, 03:05 PM.
    KB1UTG (keep being one ultimate tough guy)

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    • #3
      [COLOR="Blue"]Christian the route to Wall St and the stone cabin washed out a year or two ago and now is a 4X route. Art and his posse went through that way last weekend. (see their post unde Calico) I think that by now the route has a do-able line through it, but of course Art dosen't take do-able routes LOL.

      BTW Art I found some cool fireroads in Arizona last week-end that even on your scale would be rated "MODERATE". Extremely nice extreme trails.

      From the stone cabin you can continue on to the west and come out on the Fort Erwin road.

      mk[/COLOR]

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      • #4
        Originally posted by troyboy162 View Post
        start of crossover trail. 34°58'19.96"N, 116°51'57.06"W
        end off crossover trail 34°58'22.28"N, 116°52'20.30"W

        that is the trail i use to get from bismark to wallstreet. i ran into the same problem as you before i found this trail. its pretty faint but you can see it on google earth. maybe someone can chime in with a better route.

        oh and silver bow will require a small length of rope or tow strap to safely get in. id recommended only one person on the ladder at a time so that rocks dont cut loose onto the lower person.
        Hey Troy,

        I've popped those coordinates into MapSource to see where it is compared to where we were and I think we may have been on or near it when it was getting close to sundown.

        Is this a route that we could take a stock Jeep over?

        Thanks.

        Christian
        "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mkjeepers View Post
          [COLOR="Blue"]Christian the route to Wall St and the stone cabin washed out a year or two ago and now is a 4X route. Art and his posse went through that way last weekend. (see their post unde Calico) I think that by now the route has a do-able line through it, but of course Art dosen't take do-able routes LOL.

          BTW Art I found some cool fireroads in Arizona last week-end that even on your scale would be rated "MODERATE". Extremely nice extreme trails.

          From the stone cabin you can continue on to the west and come out on the Fort Erwin road.

          mk[/COLOR]

          Hey Mike,

          What's in that pic does not look familir, so I don't think I ever found that section.

          I can't tell for sure from the pic if I'd be able to go over that in my stock Scrambler, but it looks like I might be able to pick a good line through it. I just have to be careful not to wind up on one of Art's "fire roads."

          Based on the description in the book I was looking for something that looked like a well established trail, but now I can see I needed to be looking for something different.

          I'd like to try again to find a route that I can travel over with a stocker. I'll just have to get to Bismark earlier and give myself more time to explore the possible routes!

          Thanks.

          Christian
          "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

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          • #6
            That looks like an arizona pic to me.
            Those left standing
            Will make millions
            Writing books on ways
            It should have been
            -Incubus "Warning"

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            • #7
              This is what the worst part of wallstreet looks like Christian

              http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=16757

              Good thing is that once you find it, it's not that long a hike to the overlook and some of the mines. I had fun exploring some of the mines while waiting for Kevin

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              • #8
                Originally posted by aw12345 View Post
                This is what the worst part of wallstreet looks like Christian

                http://www.myjeeprocks.com/forums/sh...ad.php?t=16757

                Good thing is that once you find it, it's not that long a hike to the overlook and some of the mines. I had fun exploring some of the mines while waiting for Kevin
                Hey Art,

                I thought those pictures were from Doran or Odessa. I don't think I could get the Scrambler through that part of Wall Street yet.

                Maybe that other route that Troy posted would get me around that part.

                I could always just get there from Fort Irwin Rd to the Wall St. Overlook (assuming that the part in the pics is between Bismark Mine and the place where you hike to the Overlook), but it would be cool to find a way through.

                Thanks.

                Christian
                "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by headhunter View Post



                  I could always just get there from Fort Irwin Rd to the Wall St. Overlook (assuming that the part in the pics is between Bismark Mine and the place where you hike to the Overlook), but it would be cool to find a way through.

                  Thanks.

                  Christian
                  [COLOR="Blue"]Christian
                  You can get to Wall St from Ft Erwin Rd. It should be an easy drive.

                  The picture is from an Arizona trail, Box Canyon. The area where it is located is in one of Arizona's popular OHV areas. Very nice there.

                  (For Art's consideration there are some of AZ's best hard core (fire roads)trails in this area.)

                  mk[/COLOR]

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by headhunter View Post
                    Hey Troy,

                    I've popped those coordinates into MapSource to see where it is compared to where we were and I think we may have been on or near it when it was getting close to sundown.

                    Is this a route that we could take a stock Jeep over?

                    Thanks.

                    Christian
                    there was a little climb at the start that would be the hardest part and still easy for you guys with awesome departure angles. you will be fine stock but its not much of a trail.
                    KB1UTG (keep being one ultimate tough guy)

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                    • #11
                      Great looking trail Mike(box canyon), So where is this trail?
                      IN A LAND OF FREEDOM WE ARE HELD HOSTAGE BY THE TYRANNY OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!!

                      Better To Burn Out Than To Rust Out!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by curtis View Post
                        Great looking trail Mike(box canyon), So where is this trail?
                        [COLOR="Blue"]These trails are located off the i10 near Florance Az. Which is between Phoenix and Tucson. There are several staging areas there and a veriety of trails, ranging from moderate to Hammer style - only they go up beautiful canyons with water running down them.

                        The roads in the area were originally access roads to various mines dating back to late 1800's to the early 1900's. One of the old 1860 stage routes went up Box Canyon. The old stage station is still standing (accually leaning) today. The old mine sites are usually a destination point for most groups.

                        I'll post some pix from the area when I get them done.

                        Now back to Christians post....

                        mk[/COLOR]

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mkjeepers View Post
                          [COLOR="Blue"]These trails are located off the i10 near Florance Az. Which is between Phoenix and Tucson. There are several staging areas there and a veriety of trails, ranging from moderate to Hammer style - only they go up beautiful canyons with water running down them.

                          The roads in the area were originally access roads to various mines dating back to late 1800's to the early 1900's. One of the old 1860 stage routes went up Box Canyon. The old stage station is still standing (accually leaning) today. The old mine sites are usually a destination point for most groups.

                          I'll post some pix from the area when I get them done.

                          Now back to Christians post....

                          mk[/COLOR]
                          Mike,

                          That sounds like a great place to do some wheeling!

                          Christian
                          "People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of thought which they avoid." - Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)

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                          • #14
                            [COLOR="Blue"]I did a post of the trip out there.
                            mk[/COLOR]

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                            • #15
                              that crossover trail will dump you up just like 200 meters west of the stone cabin and north of the wallstreet overlook. the cabin is basicaly at the top of where things begin to form wallstreet canyon. this route to wallstreet from the north is your only chance to get down there. it was washed out bad a year ago but still not anywhere as bad as the direct route that was pictured in the other post as a 4+ trail. you may have to hike south to get to the overlook if you cant drive but only like half a mile id think.

                              also after taking the crossover trail you can take easy dirt roads west to ft erwin road. silver bow is easy to get to as well from there.

                              also what areas are you calling tin can alley and hidden valley? silver bow has a pretty impressive tin can alley
                              KB1UTG (keep being one ultimate tough guy)

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