East Johnson Valley Mines

[Desert Patty]

I have seen that lease paper before. But thank you! Can you tell me where you saw the info about the 10 stamp mill?

They closed a pit NE of the mine. Other than that, I don't know of any others to be closed at the moment. It upsets me too that they are closing harmless ones like the Los Padres, if they have dangerous shafts, then I'd agree. The mine is on one sq mile of State land. Go figure. My friend the state geologist's supervisors are tired of spending money on keeping the public out, so hence the bulldozing idea. My other friend coming out today is the bat biologist to look also. I've been in many mines with her, bat banding, but they were next to the Colorado river.

Patty

[troyboy162]

ah i see if its on state land then its toast. so all they ended up doing was blocking the road to the pit or did they fill it in?

i havnt found any bat populations either. just ones and twos here and there. i figure there must be a few colonies around here but the number of mines means it would be a needle in a haystack.

im hitting as many mines as i can but ive already missed out on waterloo, "the underground city", red dog, "bonanza"... id stop everything and go see the ones that are on the list for being closed if i knew what ones they were.

[Desert Patty]

They "puffed" it. Put a plug in it, essentially. That was a dangerous one, even though it wasn't that deep, maybe 15'-20', but you could drive right into it. Natural selection at it's finest. ;->

I will quiz my bat friend about mines due to be closed.

Patty

[troyboy162]

They "puffed"

I will quiz my bat friend about mines due to be closed.

Patty

that would be great!

[Roger]

Tell the State geologist to no bother with blowing up the mine, it will be the Marines problem in a few years. Save the state the money since it's so broke....

[Desert Patty]

The bat biologist stated that the Los Padres would be a perfect mine for a maternity colony of bats. The state geologist is in agreement, he doesn't want to see it bulldozed or shut due to it's historic nature. But he will see if his supervisors will approve a bat gate for it. We shall see.

The only other mine slated for partial closure (bat gate installed) is the Oro Grande as it's an important maternity roost for 2 threatened species of bats.

Patty

[Roger]

None of them gives a crap about the biggest endangered species: The American Citizen and the "rights" ripped from us. They only care about bats & little tiny fish... I'm thinking of all those San Joquin Valley farmers whose lives have been destroyed by a f**king little fish that has survived irrigation flows for over 50 years but now suddenly is in danger.

Sorry, I'm done now...

[troyboy162]

The bat biologist stated that the Los Padres would be a perfect mine for a maternity colony of bats. The state geologist is in agreement, he doesn't want to see it bulldozed or shut due to it's historic nature. But he will see if his supervisors will approve a bat gate for it. We shall see.

The only other mine slated for partial closure (bat gate installed) is the Oro Grande as it's an important maternity roost for 2 threatened species of bats.

Patty

wow the mine game is crazier then i though when scientists have to bat gate a mine with no bats just to save it.

were draggin this really off topic but what does your friend think of white noise syndrome? its going to effect my hobby soon in a big way i think..
http://www.mojaveunderground.com/for...opic.php?t=779

[Desert Patty]

My nickname is Batty Patty, I love bats! It saddens me, as the bats have no immunity to it, so, about 85-90% of them are dieing from WNS. It's in Tennessee and soon Kentucky. I am not going to the caving convention in Vermont cause they are talking about closing some of the caves so it doesn't get spread west. I think if it weren't for bats, we'd be up to our elbows in insects.
Some people hate bats, don't know anything about them, & would rather kill them instead of learn something. They have one young a year, so they don't bounce back with big numbers of off spring.

Ok, off my soap box now.

Patty

[kirkandsylvia]

I really wish the state would keep their noses out of the closures of all the mines that are still left open. Some of us folks here find the history that is public...note I say public...very interesting. For the sake of the mines mentioned here in the thread...I really hope there is at least one bat habitat found in those mines. At least then the state wont be able to shut the entrance off.

[Mitch]

Ok "Batty Patty",

This one is for you. Bats are deffinately awesome.

Our local mines just don't have a bat population that needs conservation. Unfortunatly Senator Feinstein uses every possible excuse to take away our Public Lands and make our historical sites inaccessable to us, especially mines. Too bad for those of us who care.

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[kirkandsylvia]

Hey Mitch...that is one cool pic of our batty friends. Were you expecting that or did it just jump out into flight as you were snapping the picture of the mine?

[Desert Patty]

Wow, that is a wonderful photo!!
Thanks for sharing!! :-> Looks like a Townsends long eared.

[troyboy162]

yeah bats are great. im actualy from vermont, but i didnt know we had a WNS problem there too. there is lots of small ones in vermont and lots of bugs for them to chomp through.

[mkjeepers]

[COLOR="Blue"]You know bats and other rodents as well as insects go through various cycles from time to time when they diminish or increase in population. Up here in the mountains the Grey Squirrel population has diminshed greatly becaus of the west nile virus.

I don't think you can blame these cycles on people.

The same thing happens with rabbits and Coyotes and insects. The locust sometimes are huge in population as well as butterflies and even the recent bark beatles were thriving up here in the mountains for a year or so and now they're gone and amazingly enough life is still going on, and the forest looks better now than before.

BTW the forest service is even assisting the Bark beatles in thinning the thickened forest.

When certain species do thrive then everyone starts complaining and trying to figure out how to curb their growth, such as the wild Mustangs and Burrows in the Nevada deserts. They're rounded up and sold or slaughtered because they herds are flourshing. etc......[/COLOR]