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    Alert, Obama Great Outdoors Meeting In LA, CA Thurs. July 8th


    Private property, multiple-use, recreation and rural community
    advocates must attend.

    You may not get another chance.

    This is a big deal. You do not want to miss out or find out later
    that you lost rights because you failed to go to this listening
    session.

    -----There is a concept in law called “laches” or “sleeping on
    your rights.” If you fail to participate in a planning process, you
    may be prevented from asserting your rights in court later.

    These listening sessions are the beginning of the Obama Great
    Outdoors Initiative that will involve massive new land use controls
    nationwide and new National Monuments. Until recently, only the
    environmental groups and Congress were getting notified ahead of time
    to the best of our knowledge.


    Listening Session and Discussion Information:

    When: Thursday - July 8, 2010, 3:00 pm to 7:00 pm

    Where: Thorne Hall

    Occidental College

    1600 Campus Road

    Los Angeles, CA 90041 (See map at http://www.oxy.edu/x6307.xml)

    This listening session is about the plan that is part of the battle
    between the House Natural Resources Committee and the White House and
    Interior Departments over the release of secret documents describing
    the full extent of the Obama Great Outdoors Initiative.

    We have included below the background information from the House
    Natural Resources Committee effort to get the Obama Administration to
    give up the secret documents about the whole Obama Great Outdoors
    Initiative.
    This will be the
    only listening session in the Northwest so you need to go.

    You do not have to sign up in advance The information to sign up by e-mail and fax are listed below.

    -----Your attendance is critical.


    It is vital that
    you attend the LA meeting.

    The three listening sessions in Montana had virtually no notice to
    private property and multiple-use groups. The result was that many
    people who support grazing, mining, logging, recreation, private
    property and rural communities were not there.

    It is vital that your side of the issue be represented. This is about
    the Obama America’s Great Outdoors Initiative, Treasured Landscapes
    and National Monument programs.

    Millions of acres of private land will be purchased under threat of
    eminent domain if this program goes forward. Red tape and strangling
    regulations will in your future if you do not stand up and oppose the
    Obama America’s Great Outdoors Initiative now.

    The time to fight back is now, not later. You must hit them early.
    You cannot miss this meeting.

    -----Here is a recent Interior Department release:

    Invitations to the America’s Great Outdoors public listening and
    learning session for Washington were sent to stakeholder groups today
    (read environmental groups). As you can see from the sample invitation

    On April 16, the President established the America’s Great Outdoors
    Initiative to promote and support innovative community-level efforts
    to conserve outdoor spaces and reconnect Americans to the outdoors.

    The Initiative is led by Secretaries Salazar and Vilsack, CEQ Chair
    Sutley, and EPA Administrator Jackson, who recently sent a letter to
    each Member and Senator to inform Congress about the Initiative.

    Senior Administration officials are visiting sites and participating
    in listening and learning sessions around the country, in communities
    where diverse coalitions are working together in innovative ways to
    protect and restore outdoor spaces.

    These sessions are intended to engage the full range of interested
    groups, including tribal leaders, farmers and ranchers, sportsmen,
    community park groups, foresters, business people, educators, state
    and local governments and recreation and conservation groups. Special
    attention is being placed on bringing young Americans into the
    conversation.

    For more information, or to add your suggestions on this initiative,
    please visit: http://www.doi.gov/americasgreatoutdoors/



    Starting with the White House Conference on the Great Outdoors held
    on April 16, President Obama launched a national dialogue about
    conservation in America. As part of this dialogue, we are bringing
    together ranchers, farmers and forest landowners, sportsmen and
    women, state and local government leaders, tribal leaders,
    public-lands experts, conservationists, youth leaders, business
    representatives, and others to learn about some of the smart,
    creative ways communities are conserving outdoor spaces.

    NOTICE OF A PUBLIC LISTENING SESSION ON

    THE PRESIDENT'S AMERICA'S GREAT OUTDOORS INITIATIVE

    Please join senior representatives of the U.S. Environmental
    Protection Agency, the White House Council on Environmental Quality,
    the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the U.S. Department of the
    Interior and the U.S. Department of Defense for a public listening
    session and discussion in Southern California on conservation,
    recreation, and reconnecting people to the outdoors. The session will
    be held July 8 from 3:00 pm to 7:00 p.m. at Occidental College in Los
    Angeles.

    This past April, at the White House Conference on America's Great
    Outdoors, President Obama launched the America's Great Outdoors
    Initiative to develop a 21st century conservation agenda and to
    reconnect Americans with our great outdoors. The President asked his
    leadership team to engage the full range of interested groups,
    including State and local governments, community-based organizations,
    recreation and conservation groups, sporting organizations, youth
    groups, and others.

    This Los-Angeles based listening session, one of several being held
    around the country, offers an opportunity to hear and describe the
    challenges and opportunities we face in land and water conservation,
    in improving recreational opportunities for a large urban population,
    and in restoring and conserving our vital natural and cultural
    resources to enable access to a broad array of outdoor recreation.
    The July 8th public listening session and discussion is an
    opportunity for the leaders of the America's Great Outdoors
    Initiative to hear from you and other voices in the region about
    solutions for building a 21st century conservation and recreation
    agenda and for reconnecting people with the outdoors. Here are the
    details:

    Listening Session and Discussion Information:

    When: Thursday - July 8, 2010, 3:00 pm to 7:00 pm

    Where: Thorne Hall

    Occidental College

    1600 Campus Road

    Los Angeles, CA 90041 (See map at http://www.oxy.edu/x6307.xml)

    Who: Senior national and local leaders from US Environmental
    Protection Agency (EPA), President’s Council On Environmental
    Quality (CEQ), US Department of Agriculture (USDA), Department of the
    Interior (DOI) and Department of Defense (DOD) (Corps of Engineers)
    will be present to hear your recommendations and to participate in a
    conversation with you about America's Great Outdoors.

    Please This event is free and open to the public. For planning
    purposes, please register by

    Register: Thursday, July 1st by sending an email to sun.nelly@...
    with your name, the name

    of the organization with which you are affiliated, if any, your
    telephone number and email address. We will endeavor to accommodate
    everyone.

    You are not required to register in advance but it is helpful.

    In the event you are unable to participate in person, please submit
    your comments and stories via the America's Great Outdoors website at
    http://www.doi.gov/americasgreatoutdoors/.

    If you have questions, please call Nelly Sun at (415) 947-4237. We
    look forward to your participation - please join us!

    For more information or copies of news releases contact:

    Jonathan Jourdane
    Office of External Affairs
    Department of the Interior
    202.208.5636
    Jonathan_Jourdane@...

    -----Here is the Obama America’s Great Outdoors Website:

    http://www.doi.gov/americasgreatoutdoors/

    -----Background Information:

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    House Natural Resources Committee

    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: Jill Strait or Spencer Pederson
    Wednesday June 16, 2010 202-226-2311

    Bipartisan Committee Vote Calls for Interior Department to Release
    Secret National Monument Documents

    WASHINGTON D.C. – The House Natural Resource Committee today
    approved, with favorable recommendation, a Resolution of Inquiry (H.
    Res. 1406) introduced by Ranking Member Doc Hastings and National
    Parks, Forest and Public Lands Subcommittee Ranking Member Rob Bishop
    to direct the Department of Interior to turn over to Congress the
    missing pages and related documents of an “internal memo”
    detailing plans to potentially designate 13 million acres of new
    National Monuments.

    “We now have a strong bipartisan agreement that the Interior
    Department needs to reveal to the public exactly what plans are
    underway to unilaterally lock-up millions of acres of land across the
    country by designating them as National Monuments,” said Ranking
    Member Hastings. “I hope the Department takes today’s actions by
    the Committee seriously and discloses the documents that we have
    requested promptly and without further delay. If not, they can be
    assured that Republicans will continue this fight until Interior
    turns over all the missing pages.”

    Additional Views
    The Honorable Doc Hastings
    House Resolution 1406

    This is the second Resolution of Inquiry offered by Reps. Hastings
    and Bishop. On May 5, 2010 the Democrat Majority voted down a motion
    to favorable report the first Resolution of Inquiry, H. Res. 1254,
    out of Committee.

    To date, only pages 15-21 of the “internal memo” have been
    revealed. Despite repeated requests, DOI continues to withhold pages
    1-14 and pages 22 and higher. While DOI has turned over 383 pages of
    emails and documents, they continue to purposely withhold 2,016 of
    related documents.

    The proposed National Monument designations would lock-up millions of
    acres of land without public knowledge or input, threatening the
    livelihood of rural Americans and communities in the Western United
    States. It could kill jobs, block recreational opportunities and
    restrict access to American energy resources. This is why local
    communities such as Siskiyou County, CA and Otero County, NM have
    passed Resolutions and Ordinances opposing any National Monument
    expansions.

    # # #

    http://republicans.resourcescommittee.house.gov
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    Obama launches America's Great Outdoors conservation initiative

    By Juliet Eilperin and Scott Wilson
    Washington Post Staff Writers
    Saturday, April 17, 2010; A02

    President Obama launched the America's Great Outdoors initiative
    Friday, an attempt to reshape U.S. conservation policy at a time when
    the nation is facing new environmental threats but the government is
    hard-pressed to afford new spending programs.

    In a brief speech at the Interior Department, Obama said he intends
    to build on "a breathtaking legacy of conservation that still
    enhances our lives." He said the tradition began with Theodore
    Roosevelt, whom he described as "one of my favorite presidents,"
    although he added, "I will probably never shoot a bear."

    Obama said the nation's growing population, pollution and other
    factors are "putting a rising strain on our lands." He said
    government cannot address conservation issues alone, and he urged
    private industry, local communities, Native American leaders and
    volunteers to help protect the outdoors.

    "Even in times of crisis, we're called to take the long view to
    preserve our national heritage, because in doing so, we fulfill one
    of the responsibilities that falls to all of us as Americans and as
    inhabitants of this same small planet," Obama said. "And that is the
    responsibility that we are rising to meet today."

    Obama signed a memorandum sketching out broad goals that the
    administration hopes to pursue in the next few years: forming
    coalitions with state and local governments and the private sector;
    encouraging outdoor recreation by Americans; connecting wildlife
    migration corridors; and encouraging the sustainable use of private
    land.

    Four administration officials -- Interior Secretary Ken Salazar,
    Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack, Environmental Protection Agency
    Administrator Lisa P. Jackson and Nancy Sutley, who chairs the White
    House Council on Environmental Quality -- will spearhead the effort.

    "It's really about getting people to think about the great outdoors
    again and recognize what a tremendous asset it is to our country,"
    Vilsack said in an interview.

    American children are spending half as much time outside as their
    parents did, according to the Interior Department, and the country
    loses 2 million acres a year to development. Government officials
    worry about the effect of land conversion on natural resources: The
    Maryland Office of Planning projects that more land in the region
    surrounding the Chesapeake Bay will have been converted
    to housing between 1995 and 2020 than in the previous 3 1/2
    centuries.

    Sierra Club Chairman Carl Pope, who was among the environmental
    leaders attending Friday's day-long conference to launch the
    initiative, said he hoped a broad coalition of partners will be
    encouraged to reengage on public-lands issues.

    It remains unclear how much the government can afford to spend on
    such programs in the future. The National Park Service alone
    estimates that it would need an extra $9.5 billion to clear a backlog
    of repairs and improvements. View all comments that have been posted
    about this article on the Washington Post Company website.

    2010 The Washington Post Company

    You can go to the America Outdoors website and post a comment.
    Please make sure you attend this listening session.

    Chuck Cushman
    American Land Rights Association
    ccushman@... <mailto:ccushman@...>

    (360) 687-3087

    Please forward this message as widely as possible. This is a historic
    issue.

    It is incredibly important for you to forward this message. By
    forwarding the message, you can help get millions of copies of this
    critically important e-mail distributed. Thank you in advance for
    your help.

  • #2
    Originally posted by MiB
    The three listening sessions in Montana had virtually no notice to
    private property and multiple-use groups. The result was that many
    people who support grazing, mining, logging, recreation, private
    property and rural communities were not there.
    Seems to be a trend here. I saw this in the AAT yahoo group e-mail and the first thing I though was; Oh shit. This is tonight. Theres no way I can make this on 12 hours notice.
    Those left standing
    Will make millions
    Writing books on ways
    It should have been
    -Incubus "Warning"

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    • #3
      I just tried to register for this meeting and this is the response I got Nelly Sun at the EPA office in SFO:

      I am out of the office until 07/12/2010.
      I will be working in Los Angeles starting July 6 - July 9, 2010, and will be in multiple offsite locations. I will check my emails, but you
      may experience a delayed response. I will be back in the EPA San
      Francisco office on July 12, 2010. Thank you.

      I'm going anyway. As a matter of fact I'm up in the area now. Anyone else going?
      [CENTER][COLOR=#ff0000]Resistance Off Road
      [/COLOR]Join the Resistance...
      http://www.resistanceoffroad.us[/CENTER]

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rat patrol View Post
        I just tried to register for this meeting and this is the response I got Nelly Sun at the EPA office in SFO:

        I am out of the office until 07/12/2010.
        I will be working in Los Angeles starting July 6 - July 9, 2010, and will be in multiple offsite locations. I will check my emails, but you
        may experience a delayed response. I will be back in the EPA San
        Francisco office on July 12, 2010. Thank you.

        I'm going anyway. As a matter of fact I'm up in the area now. Anyone else going?
        [COLOR="Red"]You are not required to register in advance but it is helpful.[/COLOR] P.S. Thanks for going and sorry for the late notice,I just found it today myself

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        • #5
          Originally posted by MiB View Post
          [COLOR=red]You are not required to register in advance but it is helpful.[/COLOR] P.S. Thanks for going and sorry for the late notice,I just found it today myself
          Thanks again. I did get an email response back from Nelly. You can sign up at the walk in desk when you arrive.
          [CENTER][COLOR=#ff0000]Resistance Off Road
          [/COLOR]Join the Resistance...
          http://www.resistanceoffroad.us[/CENTER]

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          • #6
            Do us proud, guys! And remember to stay calm and personable when disagreeing.
            :gun:'99 TJ Sport:gun:

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            • #7


              [COLOR="Blue"] I got the post about the "Great Outdoors" meeting at 4:00 and was in Eagle Rock by 5:30 just in time for the public comment session.

              The Public Comment session was conducted by the White House appointed Department of the Interior secratary. After a national tour and collecting of public responce's, he will present his findings to the Presedent.

              There were about 100 people present at the comment session from all perspectives of the outdoor circles. As one would suspect, the Sierra club had a good showing. But I didn't get a sense that the secratary was biased toward any one group.

              It is crucial that we let our voices be heard from the 4X perspective. If we don't voice our concerns and requests the other parties will be the only ones heard. There were a couple of us who stated our desire to see trails stay open for 4x use. Otherwise the other groups would have just sailed on with their wishes.

              The secratary seemed very open to hear any comments on the public recreation subject. His quest from the President is to tour the nation and get a pulse of where people and organizations are at with reguard to recreation and out door activities, as the title of the meeting suggests.

              I was able to make two comments before the group. There were recorders that were taking shorthand of the comments. My main point, as was some of the others present, is that the public lands continue to be open to public access and limiting wilderness closures.

              Below is the brochure given at the door. The web sites are where official public comments can be registered. Our comments become legal comments that must be taken into consideration on these issues.

              Please take the time to let the Deparment of the Interior know what you want to see done with "The Great Outdoors". There are federal OHV areas and federal recreation areas that are designated and funded by the federal gov...express that you want them to stay OPEN, and that mechanized travel can can be used to explore them.[/COLOR]



              [COLOR="Blue"]Here are the web addresses if you can't read them on the brochure.

              www.doi.gov/americasgreatoutdoors/

              Email address
              ago@ios.gov

              Mailing address
              Department of the Interior, America's Great Outdoors
              1849 C St. NW Mailstop 3156
              Washington, DC 20240[/COLOR]
              Last edited by mkjeepers; 07-10-10, 07:35 AM.

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              • #8
                [COLOR="Blue"]Here are the web addresses if you can't read them on the brochure.

                www.doi.gov/americasgreatoutdoors/

                Email address
                ago@ios.gov

                Mailing address
                Department of the Interior, America's Great Outdoors
                1849 C St. NW Mailstop 3156
                Washington, DC 20240[/COLOR]

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                • #9
                  MK thanks for representing the OHV community.

                  Is that a one-sided flyer?

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                  • #10
                    Thanks for the feed back Mike. Let's hope we get strong showings at the other sessions. Hopefully there will be more OHV representation at those unlike the FEIS for the Sierra's.
                    Check out .

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                    • #11
                      Mike,

                      Thank you for the information.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by karstic View Post
                        MK thanks for representing the OHV community.

                        Is that a one-sided flyer?
                        [COLOR="Blue"]It is a 2 sided flyer..the inside was just the time schedule for the meetings.
                        I placed the inside photo above in the first post.[/COLOR]
                        Last edited by mkjeepers; 07-09-10, 08:45 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Would be great if some of us could carpool (jeeppool?) to these events and similar in the future.
                          holes = cowbell

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                          • #14
                            [COLOR="Blue"]Just as a follow up, post #7 could be sent to other forums or 4x clubs to respond to this issue. To do so just copy the link or hit "quote" and highlight and copy post #7 and past to another group.

                            Most haven't heard of these "Great out Door" meetings. I think this is a "big fish" and we have a great oppertunity to respond and let the Federal Gov. know that we want the Federal OHV areas and National Forest lands to remain open for mechanized travel.

                            To fill in a little more info on the meetings.....many of those who attended and were specifically invited to these meetings consisted of-----city councel members, NFS leaders, university professors and university inviormental projects leaders, Sierra club chapter leaders, biologists, archiologists, historians, and MANY others who have official interests in the national land use and preservation of it. It seemed anybody who was anybody was there, including CORVA and District 37 and other 4x and offroad reps.

                            Each person that stood up and presented their interest also had to state their credentials and what organization they represented.

                            These meetings are being held in other states and the info gathered will be put into official policy for future land use.

                            There is a little time left to respond. The speaker said the best way to respond and state what you would like to see in the future use of public lands, is to use the email address and or send a letter to the DC address.[/COLOR]
                            Last edited by mkjeepers; 07-10-10, 07:52 AM.

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                            • #15
                              [COLOR="Blue"]Not to be too tedious, but here's a copy of the invitation to the national meetings. I think MiB posted some of this above.[/COLOR]

                              NOTICE OF A PUBLIC LISTENING SESSION ON
                              THE PRESIDENT’S AMERICA’S GREAT OUTDOORS INITIATIVE

                              Please join senior representatives of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the White House Council on Environmental Quality (CEQ), the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA), the U.S. Department of the Interior (DOI) and the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) for a public listening session and discussion in Southern California on conservation, recreation, and reconnecting people to the outdoors. The session will be held July 8 from 3:00 pm to 7:00 p.m. at Occidental College in Los Angeles.

                              This past April, at the White House Conference on America’s Great Outdoors, President Obama launched the America’s Great Outdoors Initiative to develop a 21st century conservation agenda and to reconnect Americans with our great outdoors. The President asked his leadership team to engage the full range of interested groups, including State and local governments, community-based organizations, recreation and conservation groups, sporting organizations, youth groups, and others.

                              This Los Angeles-based listening session, one of several being held around the country, offers an opportunity to hear and describe the challenges and opportunities we face in land and water conservation, in improving recreational opportunities for a large urban population, and in restoring and conserving our vital natural and cultural resources to enable access to a broad array of outdoor recreation. The July 8th public listening session and discussion is an opportunity for the leaders of the America’s Great Outdoors Initiative to hear from you and other voices in the region about solutions for building a 21st century conservation and recreation agenda and for reconnecting people with the outdoors. Here are the details:

                              Listening Session and Discussion Information:

                              Who:
                              Senior national and local leaders from US EPA, CEQ, USDA, DOI and DOD will be present to hear your recommendations and to participate in a conversation with you about America’s Great Outdoors.

                              This event is free and open to the public. We look forward to your participation – please join us!
                              Last edited by mkjeepers; 07-10-10, 08:37 AM.

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