New thread / thought process

[FishPOET]

Show me a single post where anyone from MJR disregards the law?

[mrblaine]

Did I mention something that was not true?

I wouldn't classify it as untrue, but it's certainly not meant to endear allies or garner more support for our needs and desires.

[mrblaine]

Show me a single post where anyone from MJR disregards the law?

I've already addressed that sentiment.

[FishPOET]

I've already addressed that sentiment.

Pretty much the same way Mr. Klasky did.

1/3 of his statement was blatantly untrue and you back Mr. Klasky's point of view instead of your fellow OHV enthusiasts from MJR?

[mrblaine]

Pretty much the same way Mr. Klasky did.

1/3 of his statement was blatantly untrue and you back Mr. Klasky's point of view instead of your fellow OHV enthusiasts from MJR?

Now you're the pot calling the kettle. If you read what I've been saying, the mere fact that you disagree with the whole premise of COW and PEER, you are condoning outlaw behavior.

[FishPOET]

Now you're the pot calling the kettle. If you read what I've been saying, the mere fact that you disagree with the whole premise of COW and PEER, you are condoning outlaw behavior.

I can choose to disagree with some of COW's and PEER's statements and ALL OHV outlaw behavior. So can you.

[mrblaine]

I can choose to disagree with some of COW's and PEER's statements and ALL OHV outlaw behavior. So can you.

I think that's a good distinction to be made and exactly the one I addressed when I made my phone call to one of the members of the steering committee.

I expressed my disappointment that not enough differences were immediately noticeable on their site between the responsible offroaders and the outlaws.

I was told that would be looked into and options explored to make the distinction more clear.

[RAT]

I think that's a good distinction to be made and exactly the one I addressed when I made my phone call to one of the members of the steering committee.

I expressed my disappointment that not enough differences were immediately noticeable on their site between the responsible offroaders and the outlaws.

I was told that would be looked into and options explored to make the distinction more clear.

Wow, my point finally comes clear.

Blaine,
I do see what you mean. And I also see that we (off roaders) seem to be as divided on these issues as we can be. And therein lies the problem; we don't have a unified voice, or a clear purpose that we are all working toward, or so it seems. So how do we bring ourselves together as one organization? Do we start another organization? I really thought the money I was sending to so many different pro off road organizations was being used for just this purpose. Ther has to be an answer there somewhere.

[mrblaine]

Wow, my point finally comes clear.

The point to me was clear instantly, but it also seemed that the baby got thrown out with the bath water.

Folks with the exact same interests as ours were grouped in with the enemy over some semantics issues that we in turn fell victim to in judging them. A vicious cycle than needs to be broken somewhere.

I'm willing to open my mind and include others into our battles as allies. Anyone else willing to as well?

[USMC 0369]

Can I come back in now? I left when we started misunderstanding each other.

[RAT]

I'm willing to open my mind and include others into our battles as allies. Anyone else willing to as well?

Yes. I am.

[mrblaine]

I can choose to disagree with some of COW's and PEER's statements and ALL OHV outlaw behavior. So can you.

I've gone back to PEER many times and am still looking for something to disagree with.

Is there something in particular that I missed somehow?

I read the minutes from one meeting and they sounded a tad upset over the collection of a barrel cactus in the bed of a pick-up owned by horse riders. It was collected in a National Monument.

They were also upset over TP and human feces in inappropriate places and that's one thing that lead to the closure of a camping area up on the Rubicon.

They are also bothered a bit over some Boy Scouts.

Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to find out what in particular about PEER has you bothered.

[FishPOET]

Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to find out what in particular about PEER has you bothered.

You are absolutely trying to be argumentative.

http://www.peer.org/campaigns/publiclands/orv/index.php

Off-Road “Wreckreation” Plagues Public Lands
Off-road vehicle abuse is a growing problem on our public lands, especially in the West. On any given day, there are reckless riders tearing up fragile lands and creating chaos.

Reckless off-roading is creating a backlash among many public lands users, including those who enjoy viewing wildlife, conducting archaeological research, hiking, camping and hunting. Besides causing extensive damage to natural and cultural resources, off-road vehicles are becoming an increasingly severe public safety and law enforcement problem, and taxpayers will be stuck with the bill to clean up their mess.

PEER and Rangers for Responsible Recreation are campaigning to draw attention to the growing threat posed by off-road vehicle misuse and to assist overmatched state and federal land managers.

Typical one sided view of off road enthusiasts.

Off-Road “Wreckreation” Plagues Public Lands

Big Bold letters in their headline Off-Road "Wreckreation". This is what bothers me about PEER and COW and other similar groups. By agreeing with COW and PEER, you are condoning name calling and disrespectful behavior.

I am bothered by hypocritical OHV enthusiasts who hold responsible MJR OHV enthusiasts to one standard and COW and PEER groups to another.

I am extremely bothered by hypocritical OHV enthusiasts who hijack wheeling threads to jump on their soap box and condemn responsible MJR OHV enthusiasts for their perceived lack of action concerning OHV land use.

Perhaps if said hypocritical OHV enthusiasts would show more appreciation for the hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars MJR members contribute every year to OHV land use issues and much less criticism then maybe the vicious cycle of the off road community tearing itself apart might possibly be broken.