Chnese to buy Hummer

[Ol Man]

Wow?? :omg:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31059625/

[Kodiak Spirit]

Chinese Hummers! Fiat Jeeps! it looks like the gov'mnt is pressuring GM to make a 'breakthrough' in techknowlogy and re-visit the EV-1, I'm so glad O'bama got the job!

don't forget to press '1' for Engrish!

Oh, it's not O'bama's fault! he just blamed the old coach, I'd like to see an NFL coach do that... "why'd you go 0-4 so far this season?" "oh, it's that coach from last year- he screwed it all up for me!"

[seapahn]

Oh, it's not O'bama's fault! he just blamed the old coach

I haven't heard Obama blame anyone for GM's screwups. Are you referring to something in specific?

[Kodiak Spirit]

My bad, not directly the GM thing, but when O'bama started in on the old administration screwing the pooch the only one of the two that fired back was Dick. I don't want to get too deep into the thing, it was meant to be a light comment...

it is crazy that they are telling us that GM is behind the times and such, when they had an electric car doing well 20 years ago...

you know what, I'll quit posting for a while...

[Schmo]

[sarah]

That's a good one, Schmo! *yikes, what will they do next?*

[Max7]

I haven't heard Obama blame anyone for GM's screwups. Are you referring to something in specific?

Bay Area, CA, the Obama Administration was the only entity that gave the OK for the government to Take Over GM. Ask around out- side your circle no one wanted this. Obama is usurping power. Obama should not be involved with GM. What do they call it now... Government Motors. Meanwhile Ford is the only of the big three that is ramping up production without Government help and doing well. As far as blame Obama has in fact blamed the last coach for everything, the problem with that theory being valid is that Bush did not sign Tarp I Tarp II or the Emergency Stimulus Package, Obama did, without the support of Americans.
Best, Max7

[Max7]

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009...home_headlines

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124381203054570397.html

[seapahn]

Bay Area, CA, the Obama Administration was the only entity that gave the OK for the government to Take Over GM. Ask around out- side your circle no one wanted this. Obama is uasurping power. Obama should not be involved with GM. What do they call it now... Government Motors. Meanwhile Ford is the only of the big three that is ramping up production without Government help and doing well. As far as blame Obama has in fact blamed the last coach for everything, the problem with that theory being valid is that Bush did not sign Tarp I Tarp II or the Emergency Stimulus Package, Obama did, without the support of Americans.
Best, Max7

Apple Valley, I stand corrected. I didn't know Obama had blamed Bush for GM going bust.

[Dezertdog]

don't forget to press '1' for Engrish!

That's good!:smile:

[Dezertdog]

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009...home_headlines

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124381203054570397.html

That's some good stuff Max. Very interesting.
Thanks,
Scott

[Max7]

Straw Men and Kings

Apple Valley, I stand corrected. I didn't know Obama had blamed Bush for GM going bust.

"(So here it is: We're out of money, so let's go more broke to pay for a new national health care program that we can't afford because of all the other entitlements we've accumulated over the decades. Oh, by the way, let's continue to grow the payroll of government employees.)

SCULLY: When you see GM though[t of] as "Government Motors," you're reaction?

OBAMA: Well, you know - look we are trying to help an auto industry that is going through a combination of bad decision making over many years and an unprecedented crisis or at least a crisis we haven't seen since the 1930's. And you know the economy is going to bounce back and we want to get out of the business of helping auto companies as quickly as we can. I have got more enough to do without that. In the same way that I want to get out of the business of helping banks, but we have to make some strategic decisions about strategic industries...


(So the billions spend by the federal government to "help" the auto industry - excluding Ford - is not the government's fault; it was just trying to "help out." The implied, unspoken Straw Man ... is the previous administration. Namely, Obama had no option but to throw billions into GM and Chrysler because he inherited the situation from Bush.)...Don't blame me, Obama says. It's those Straw Men who are responsible."source: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...men_for_b.html

Here's another blurb from the Wall Street Journal, " President Barack Obama blamed leadership failures in Washington, D.C., and Detroit as a key factor in the auto industry’s decline... “The pain being felt in places that rely on our auto industry is not the fault of our workers, who labor tirelessly and desperately want to see their companies succeed. And it is not the fault of all the families and communities that supported manufacturing plants throughout the generations,” Obama planned to say. “Rather, it is a failure of leadership – from Washington to Detroit – that led our auto companies to this point.” source: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2009/0...r-auto-crisis/

Nothing like a couple quotes from the King to sort out who said what, right?




Breaking news from Beck:

Glenn Beck: Science! Hummers

June 3, 2009 - 12:04 ET

GLENN: Well, let me see if I can figure this out. In order to save the planet, we need to be green, right? So we elect Mr. Green Barack Obama. And if we want to be green, we need to inflate our tires, recycle, grow hemp, take over GM to make sure one of those things doesn't fit, but take over GM and make sure it's the greenest auto company in the whole entire world is to sell the eco friendly Hummer to the even more eco friendly China, right? How does that work exactly? Hmmm. Some might say that China is the pinnacle of environmental irresponsibility. They might go so far as to classify China as the biggest polluter in the world. I don't know who those people are. And it is the global climate that we're worried about, right? I mean, it's global. You can't just have China polluting. But no, that's right, they were waiting for us to set the example and then they would follow. Not just the North American climate. Unless I missed something, we're looking at the global climate. So we should be focusing on lessening any pollution, not just transferring pollution from one side of the globe to the other. Or am I being unscientific here? Crap. Still others may actually be concerned for national security. I mean, hummers, we were talking in the car about this yesterday. Hummers were originally built from the likeness of the Humvee which we use in the military. Could be seen as a potential risk to our freedom but I mean, there I go being unscientific and everything, looking at things with common sense. So the green part of this transaction is that China continues to selling hummers, the current lineup, as it develops more fuel efficient vehicles. The brand will eventually sell trucks fueled by diesel, ethanol and other alternate fuels. So I guess if you think about it, it's okay. I mean, having production lines made up of 7 year old kids manufacturing hummers because they will be cheap enough for everybody to own, that way we all have more SUVs on the road, it's good for the environment... let's not pay too much attention to the China SUV Hummer deal here. source: http://www.glennbeck.com/content/art...cle/198/26157/


Best, Max7

[seapahn]

"Here's another blurb from the Wall Street Journal, " President Barack Obama blamed leadership failures in Washington, D.C., and Detroit as a key factor in the auto industry’s decline... “The pain being felt in places that rely on our auto industry is not the fault of our workers, who labor tirelessly and desperately want to see their companies succeed. And it is not the fault of all the families and communities that supported manufacturing plants throughout the generations,” Obama planned to say. “Rather, it is a failure of leadership – from Washington to Detroit – that led our auto companies to this point.”

Max (or do you prefer being referred to by current location?), I am trying to understand what you are trying to say. Do you disagree with what Obama is saying here? It seems like a fairly general and vague statement but do you disagree with its premise that GM has failed due to leadership failures from Washington to Detroit? These seems like one of those obvious (albeit stupid) politician statements that no one can disagree with

I understand you may be against government stepping in to help GM. I am in the same boat. I think we should let GM just fail on its own (as difficult as that will be for a large portion of the population that directly and indirectly rely on GM). But I don't see any problem with what Obama has been saying here. He seems to be on the money. I do disagree with his policy decision to help GM though.

[Kodiak Spirit]

what blows my mind is that O'bama thinks he is helping the auto industry be setting higher MPG limitations on them! and then boasting about it, like it isn't a big kick in the nuts to the American industry! and the whole bank thing seems to have been swept under the rug by the media, I don't want my tax dollars going to help other people buy houses with an $8,000- tax credit! Where is my $8,000- tax credit to help me keep the house I am not late on the payments for?! and if they adjust the income to effect the $8,000- tax credit, then at the end of the year when the taxes adjust back to normal (read: higher than they have ever been to pay for the health care programs that O'bama threw McCain under the bus about) these people are going to be up :poop: creek, and won't be abler to keep the house, and if you read the fine print, then they will have to fork over the $8,000-! Snake oil people! we are subsidizing the big wagon with the spin doctor selling snake oil! Step right up to O'bama the great!

[Max7]

Max (or do you prefer being referred to by current location?), I am trying to understand what you are trying to say. Do you disagree with what Obama is saying here? It seems like a fairly general and vague statement but do you disagree with its premise that GM has failed due to leadership failures from Washington to Detroit? These seems like one of those obvious (albeit stupid) politician statements that no one can disagree with

I understand you may be against government stepping in to help GM. I am in the same boat. I think we should let GM just fail on its own (as difficult as that will be for a large portion of the population that directly and indirectly rely on GM). But I don't see any problem with what Obama has been saying here. He seems to be on the money. I do disagree with his policy decision to help GM though.

(Location)... I mis took you at first and was defending my buddy Helendale, CA, it seems that we agree on a lot more than I thought we did.

Your statement,

I haven't heard Obama blame anyone for GM's screwups.

was all I was addressing with you.

Why is he blaming any one? Why not be a leader and just go fix the problem? (Which would be to stay out of it). Is he fixing the problem? I do not think so. Limited government does not mean taking over auto companies with blatantly unrepresented taxpayer money, or bank bail outs, or nationalizing heath care. Adding to our national debt a number that is so obnoxiously incomprehensible that our Country is in a state of denial of it's tangible existence and it's extreme burden on our children and generations to come.

You are right about the irrefutable statements. But I do disagree with Obama's policy and principles and I hope they fail. If his policies fail at least we will still have our unchanged Country. If he continues his policies we will be living in a different Country that has changed into socialism and will be a constitutionally failed country.

I also agree with you that we should let GM unconditionally fail on its own, in my opinion just like the banks and insurance companies.

If the free market was left alone the consumer would decide what sort of auto it wants, not the government and it's cafe standards and that auto would be built by what ever company has survived in a free market. It is simply unconstitutional to have the government running any business. I don't think Obama is on the money, I think he is out of the money.

Best, Apple Valley, CA