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  • Concealed Firearm Carry in CA lawsuit. filed

    They have started the second lawsuit to get our Second Amendment rights back in California.

    CCW: SAF, Calguns Challenge Arbitrary Denial of Right to Bear Arms In California

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    BELLEVUE, WA and REDWOOD CITY, CA – The Second Amendment Foundation, The Calguns Foundation and three California residents today filed a lawsuit seeking to vindicate the right to bear arms against arbitrary state infringement.

    Nearly all states allow qualified law-abiding citizens to carry guns for self-defense, but a few states allow local officials to arbitrarily decide who may exercise this core Second Amendment right. In the action filed today, Plaintiffs challenge the policies of two California Sheriffs, in Sacramento and Yolo counties, who reject the basic human right of self defense by refusing to issue ordinary people gun carry permits. Of course, violent criminals in the impacted counties continue to carry guns without police permission.

    State scientist Deanna Sykes believes her sexual orientation and small stature makes her an appealing target for criminals, particularly as she often transports firearms as a competitive shooter and firearms instructor. “I am highly qualified to defend myself against the sort of crime that the Sheriff cannot, despite his best efforts, completely eradicate,” Sykes said. “Violent crime is a real risk in our society, but happily, we enjoy the right to defend ourselves from it.”

    Andrew Witham has over 15 years experience as a police officer in Britain, and is licensed to carry a firearm while working as a private investigator and campus public safety officer. But despite having been the target of death threats stemming from his work in security, Sheriff John McGinness saw to it that Witham’s license to carry a gun while away from work was revoked upon Witham’s relocation to Sacramento.

    “I’m allowed to defend other people,” said Witham, “so why can’t I defend myself, where the Bill of Rights guarantees me that right?”

    Adam Richards, a Northern California attorney, would also exercise his right to bear arms in self- defense. But the Yolo County Sheriff’s policy on gun permit applications is: don’t bother. “How can the Sheriff tell whether I am capable of responsibly exercising my Second Amendment rights, when he doesn’t even acknowledge that these rights exist?”

    Attorney Alan Gura, representing the plaintiffs in this case, said, “It’s a shame that these Sheriffs don’t think that self-defense is a ‘good cause’ to exercise the right to bear arms, but we’re confident the Second Amendment reflects a better policy.”

    Added co-counsel Donald Kilmer, “The California carry licensing system is being abused by some officials who are hostile to self-defense rights. The police can regulate the carrying of guns, and that includes preventing dangerous people from being armed. Complete deprivation of the right to bear arms, however, is not an option under our Constitution.”

    “The Supreme Court’s decision last year in the Heller case shows that there is both a right to keep arms and a right to bear arms,” said SAF founder Alan Gottlieb. “In most states, authorities do not deny a license to carry an operable firearm to any law-abiding applicant that completes training and a background check. This is also the practice throughout much of California. These two Sheriffs must respect the constitutional rights of their citizens to bear arms.”

    “California is often a leader in so many ways, but our state lags badly in streamlining its firearms laws,” said Gene Hoffman, Chairman of The Calguns Foundation. “We need 21st century gun laws that respect our Constitutional rights, and adopt modern, widely accepted practices that work well throughout the United States. Hopefully this action will serve as a wake-up call to our legislators, and to those officials who stubbornly resist accommodating Second Amendment rights. If they don’t reform, reform will come through litigation.”

    The Second Amendment Foundation (www.saf.org) is the nation’s oldest and largest tax-exempt education, research, publishing and legal action group focusing on the Constitutional right and heritage to privately own and possess firearms. Founded in 1974, The Foundation has grown to more than 600,000 members and supporters and conducts many programs designed to better inform the public about the consequences of gun control.

    The Calguns Foundation (www.calgunsfoundation.org) is a non-profit legal defense fund for California gun owners. The Calguns foundation works to educate government and the public and protect the rights of individuals to own and lawfully use firearms in California.

    A copy of the complaint is available:
    http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/syk...2009-05-09.pdf
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    Dennis,

    Thank you for the research. I will apply and see what the response is.

    Mitch

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    • #3
      Depending on what county you are in you might want to wait. Check out these sites to see how your county is at issuing.

      http://www.calccw.com/Forums/

      http://californiaccw.org/forums/list.page

      If the lawsuit goes the right way, the whole state should be "shall issue" which means as long as you pass a background check, required training and fees you get a permit.
      Last edited by Deamer; 05-06-09, 01:27 AM.
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      • #4
        To be honest, I feel that as long as a person does not have a felony conviction, there should be zero regulations, no permits, no training requirements or otherwise for a law abiding citizen to carry a concealed or non-concealed weapon.

        In other words, the government has no right to regulate firearms what so ever.

        That would truly be complying with the 2nd Ammendment...
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        • #5
          still not looking very good for LA.
          how about dual residency? having a place in Sanberdoo and in LA county?
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          • #6
            that is one of the big problems with CC in California, if you have a permit in San Berdoo, it's no good as soon as you cross the line into L.A. Other counties don't recognize the permits, so don't go there. it makes the state really hard to carry in, because you never really know when yer legit. not to mention schools, post offices, public buildings of any kind.... it's a minefield. It's like the Wamoo/Chase that has the ATM after hours inside the building, so you have to use yer card to get in the door... and there you are, outside at night, wallet in one hand, ATM card in the other, back to the parkinglot, trying to get into the friggin' bank.... just pray not to be a victim 'eh?
            :gun: my rifle is not illegal, it's just undocumented... :gun:

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kodiak Spirit View Post
              that is one of the big problems with CC in California, if you have a permit in San Berdoo, it's no good as soon as you cross the line into L.A. Other counties don't recognize the permits, so don't go there. it makes the state really hard to carry in, because you never really know when yer legit. not to mention schools, post offices, public buildings of any kind.... it's a minefield. It's like the Wamoo/Chase that has the ATM after hours inside the building, so you have to use yer card to get in the door... and there you are, outside at night, wallet in one hand, ATM card in the other, back to the parkinglot, trying to get into the friggin' bank.... just pray not to be a victim 'eh?
              Actually no - unless SB county puts a restriction on your rice paper, it's a STATE permit.

              ...really need to be asking these questions on a CCW BBS....

              http://www.calccw.com/Forums/
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              • #8
                Well then, the police officer that spoke to me needs to be better educated on the subject. I will never challenge an officers advice on the subject while he is talking to his partner and considering the merit of arresting me. I will be the first to admit I am not up to date on the subject, I spent some time on calccw a while ago, things certainly change...
                :gun: my rifle is not illegal, it's just undocumented... :gun:

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                • #9
                  In that situation, I wouldn't have had anything to say except "yes sir Officer sir" either
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Old Fart View Post
                    In that situation, I wouldn't have had anything to say except "yes sir Officer sir" either
                    No witty quip like "you want my gun, ya gotta take the bullets first"???
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                    • #11
                      No, I usually stick to" Do you know why cops carry 9mm's with 15 rounds? Beacuse they miss a LOT"
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Old Fart View Post
                        No, I usually stick to" Do you know why cops carry 9mm's with 15 rounds? Beacuse you can make a bigger hole with 15 than with one
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                        • #13
                          bullets make my gun too heavy so I leave them at home.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Roger View Post
                            To be honest, I feel that as long as a person does not have a felony conviction, there should be zero regulations, no permits, no training requirements or otherwise for a law abiding citizen to carry a concealed or non-concealed weapon.

                            In other words, the government has no right to regulate firearms what so ever.

                            That would truly be complying with the 2nd Ammendment...
                            x2. I agree

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