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    "The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army" - Gen. George Washington, to his troops before the battle of Long Island

    Such a time is near at hand again. The fate of unborn millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this Army - and this Marine Corps, This Air Force, This Navy and the National Guard units of these sovereign states.

    Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, and veterans who swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic … and meant it.

    Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and that oath will be kept. We won’t “just follow orders."

    Below is our declaration of orders we will NOT obey because we will consider them unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral violations of the natural rights of the people. Such orders would be acts of war against the American people by their own government, and thus acts of treason. We will not make war against our own people. We will not commit treason. We will defend the Republic.

    Declaration of Orders We Will NOT Obey

    Recognizing that we each swore an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, and affirming that we are guardians of the Republic, of the principles in our Declaration of Independence, and of the rights of our people, we affirm and declare the following:
    (#6 is the most sobering to me.)

    1. We will NOT obey any order to disarm the American people.

    The attempt to disarm the people on April 19, 1775 was the spark of open conflict in the American Revolution. That vile attempt was an act of war, and the American people fought back in justified, righteous self-defense of their natural rights. Any such order today would also be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason. We will not make war on our own people, and we will not commit treason by obeying any such treasonous order.

    Nor will we assist, or support any such attempt to disarm the people by other government entities, either state or federal.

    In addition, we affirm that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to preserve the military power of the people so that they will, in the last resort, have effective final recourse to arms and to the God of Hosts in the face of tyranny. Accordingly, we oppose any and all further infringements on the right of the people to keep and bear arms. In particular we oppose a renewal of the misnamed “assault-weapons” ban or the enactment of H.R. 45 (which would register and track gun owners like convicted pedophiles).

    2. We will NOT obey any order to conduct warrantless searches of the American people, their homes, vehicles, papers, or effects - such as warrantless house-to house searches for weapons or persons.

    One of the causes of the American Revolution was the use of warrantless searches known as “writs of assistance” and the first fiery embers of American resistance were born in opposition to those infamous writs. The Founders considered all warrantless searches to be unreasonable and egregious. It was to prevent a repeat of such violations of the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects that the Fourth Amendment was written.

    We expect that warrantless searches of homes and vehicles, under some pretext, will be the means used to attempt to disarm the people.

    3. We will NOT obey any order to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to trial by military tribunal.

    One of the causes of the American Revolution was the denial of the right to jury trial, the use of admiralty courts (military tribunals) instead, and the application of the laws of war to the colonists. After that experience, and being well aware of the infamous Star Chamber in English history, the Founders ensured that the international laws of war would apply only to foreign enemies, not to the American people. Thus, the Article III Treason Clause establishes the only constitutional form of trial for an American, not serving in the military, who is accused of making war on his own nation. Such a trial for treason must be before a civilian jury, not a tribunal.

    The international laws of war do not trump our Bill of Rights. We reject as illegitimate any such claimed power, as did the Supreme Court in Ex Parte Milligan (1865). Any attempt to apply the laws of war to American civilians, under any pretext, such as against domestic “militia” groups the government brands “domestic terrorists,” is an act of war and an act of treason.

    4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state, or to enter with force into a state, without the express consent and invitation of that state’s legislature and governor.

    One of the causes of the American Revolution was the attempt “to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power” by disbanding the Massachusetts legislature and appointing General Gage as “military governor.” The attempt to disarm the people of Massachusetts during that martial law sparked our Revolution. Accordingly, the power to impose martial law – the absolute rule over the people by a military officer with his will alone being law – is nowhere enumerated in our Constitution.

    Further, it is the militia of a state and of the several states that the Constitution contemplates being used in any context, during any emergency within a state, not the standing army.

    The imposition of martial law by the national government over a state and its people, treating them as an occupied enemy nation, is an act of war. Such an attempted suspension of the Constitution and Bill of Rights voids the compact with the states and with the people.

    5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty and declares the national government to be in violation of the compact by which that state entered the Union.

    In response to the obscene growth of federal power and to the absurdly totalitarian claimed powers of the Executive, upwards of 20 states are considering, have considered, or have passed courageous resolutions affirming states rights and sovereignty.

    Those resolutions follow in the honored and revered footsteps of Jefferson and Madison in their Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions, and likewise seek to enforce the Constitution by affirming the very same principles of our Declaration, Constitution, and Bill of Rights that we Oath Keepers recognize and affirm.

    Chief among those principles is that ours is a dual sovereignty system, with the people of each state retaining all powers not granted to the national government they created, and thus the people of each state reserved to themselves the right to judge when the national government they created has voided the compact between the states by asserting powers never granted.

    Upon the declaration by a state that such a breach has occurred, we will not obey orders to force that state to submit to the national government.

    6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

    One of the causes of the American Revolution was the blockade of Boston, and the occupying of that city by the British military, under martial law. Once hostilities began, the people of Boston were tricked into turning in their arms in exchange for safe passage, but were then forbidden to leave. That confinement of the residents of an entire city was an act of war.

    Such tactics were repeated by the Nazis in the Warsaw Ghetto, and by the Imperial Japanese in Nanking, turning entire cities into death camps. Any such order to disarm and confine the people of an American city will be an act of war and thus an act of treason.

    7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

    Mass, forced internment into concentration camps was a hallmark of every fascist and communist dictatorship in the 20th Century. Such internment was unfortunately even used against American citizens of Japanese descent during World War II. Whenever a government interns its own people, it treats them like an occupied enemy population. Oppressive governments often use the internment of women and children to break the will of the men fighting for their liberty – as was done to the Boars, to the Jewish resisters in the Warsaw Ghetto, to the Cossacks, and to the Chechens, for example.

    Such a vile order to forcibly intern Americans without charges or trial would be an act of war against the American people, and thus an act of treason, regardless of the pretext used. We will not commit treason, nor will we facilitate or support it."NOT on Our Watch!"

    8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control” during any emergency, or under any other pretext. We will consider such use of foreign troops against our people to be an invasion and an act of war.

    During the American Revolution, the British government enlisted the aid of Hessian mercenaries in an attempt to subjugate the rebellious American people. Throughout history, repressive regimes have enlisted the aid of foreign troops and mercenaries who have no bonds with the people.

    Accordingly, as the militia of the several states are the only military force contemplated by the Constitution, in Article I, Section 8, for domestic keeping of the peace, and as the use of even our own standing army for such purposes is without such constitutional support, the use of foreign troops and mercenaries against the people is wildly unconstitutional, egregious, and an act of war.

    We will oppose such troops as enemies of the people and we will treat all who request, invite, and aid those foreign troops as the traitors they are.

    9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies, under any emergency pretext whatsoever.

    One of the causes of the American Revolution was the seizure and forfeiture of American ships, goods, and supplies, along with the seizure of American timber for the Royal Navy, all in violation of the people’s natural right to their property and to the fruits of their labor. The final spark of the Revolution was the attempt by the government to seize powder and cannon stores at Concord.

    Deprivation of food has long been a weapon of war and oppression, with millions intentionally starved to death by fascist and communist governments in the 20th Century alone.

    Accordingly, we will not obey or facilitate orders to confiscate food and other essential supplies from the people, and we will consider all those who issue or carry out such orders to be the enemies of the people.

    10. We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

    There would have been no American Revolution without fiery speakers and writers such as James Otis, Patrick Henry, Thomas Paine, and Sam Adams “setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.”

    Patrick Henry: "Give me Liberty, or Give me DEATH!"

    Tyrants know that the pen of a man such as Thomas Paine can cause them more damage than entire armies, and thus they always seek to suppress the natural rights of speech, association, and assembly. Without freedom of speech, the people will have no recourse but to arms. Without freedom of speech and conscience, there is no freedom.

    Therefore, we will not obey or support any orders to suppress or violate the right of the people to speak, associate, worship, assemble, communicate, or petition government for the redress of grievances.

    — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually affirm our oath and pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor. Oath Keepers

    The above list is not exhaustive but we do consider them to be clear tripwires – they form our “line in the sand,” and if we receive such orders, we will not obey them. Further, we will know that the time for another American Revolution is nigh. If such a revolution comes, at that time, not only will we NOT fire upon our fellow Americans who righteously resist such egregious violations of their God given rights, we will join them in fighting against those who dare attempt to enslave them.

    NOTE: please also read our Principles of Our Republic We Are Sworn to Defend

    More About Oath Keepers

    Oath Keepers is a non partisan association of currently serving military, veterans, and peace officers who will fulfill our oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God.

    Our oath is to the Constitution, not to the politicians, and not to any political party. In the long-standing tradition of the U.S. military, we are apolitical. We don’t care if unlawful orders come from a Democrat or a Republican, or if the violation is bi-partisan. We will not obey unconstitutional (and thus unlawful) and immoral orders, such as orders to disarm the American people or to place them under martial law. We won’t “just follow orders." Our motto: “Not on Our Watch!” or to put it even more succinctly, in the words of , "NUTS!"

    There is at this time a debate within the ranks of the military regarding their oath. Some mistakenly believe they must follow any order the President issues. But many others do understand that their loyalty is to the Constitution and to the people, and understand what that means.

    The mission of Oath Keepers is to vastly increase their numbers.

    We are in a battle for the hearts and minds of our own troops.
    Help us win it.
    www.oath-keepers.blogspot.com
    "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" - Benjamin Franklin

  • #2
    wow... we are the frogs here, an is geetin' hot!
    :gun: my rifle is not illegal, it's just undocumented... :gun:

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    • #3
      Easy now, before you go, gun toting and and yell at everyone to 'get back'.... remember we all recite this.....

      I pledge allegiance to the Flag
      of the United States of America,
      and to the Republic for which it stands:
      one Nation under God, indivisible,
      With Liberty and Justice for all.

      However I do agree, and we need to unite as many of us that agree with your views, as such to create such a surge within our borders that changes will be made.
      So much to consider, so much to do. And yet just feedin the family is taking most of the time.
      "If you have significant difficulty here, dont go any further....it only gets worse".
      (Charles Wells)

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mtbikbob View Post
        Easy now, before you go, gun toting and and yell at everyone to 'get back'....
        I think we are on the same page but ... Who was this directed to? I may have missed something, or I may just be slow, but "get back "from what? I suppose I am just not clear. I agree with everything you have stated, but we need to stay vigilant!
        Very Best, Max7
        "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" - Benjamin Franklin

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        • #5
          interesting post.
          >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
          ERIK


          95 yj, locked lifted, and ready to rock!

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          • #6
            Hey Max,
            Yes Vigilence is needed and action is needed now. "Oath Keepers" is very serious stuff and I hope that its cause grows and becomes a 'change setting attitude' within government. My comments are not directed at anyone in particular other than the individual who would construe 'this cause' to be one of taking on 'the system' by themself with gun in hand.
            The slow and steady prgress of those in government to take over all the rights of the people is frighting. It is making ground every year. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But indeed that is what 'they' want.
            "If you have significant difficulty here, dont go any further....it only gets worse".
            (Charles Wells)

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            • #7
              I guess my question would be "what's your point"? Seems like a pretty specific and narrow group that this is targeting seeing that this is an association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, peace officers, and veterans. Are you simply trying to inform these specific groups or the rest of us that this association is in existence? This sounds great and all, just like the purity pledge that teenage daughters are making these days . . . amazing how a bunch of words can boil down to nothing at the end of the day. So what exactly are these cops or soldiers going to do if they are ordered to go against their oath? My guess is that they'll either bite the bullet and do what they're told or they'll be fired or court-martialed and enjoy the unemployment line. Out of the 10 listed, I only see 2 or 3 that seem to apply to the issues we are facing currently or have recently . . . I guess leaving out the possibility of turning states into concentration camps just wouldn't have the same flair or fear factor.
              Last edited by Schmo; 03-21-09, 10:24 AM.
              That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

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              • #8
                Joe,
                I suggest you check them out.
                This involves every part of who you are as an American Citizen. The Constitutional rights we possess, given to us from its creators who gave everything they had including their very lives. It involves the right of the President to call anyone one whom he choses, 'unlawful combatants' hence to be 'shot on sight'. Waco and Ruby Ridge are cited examples of abusive governmental power.
                Just a heads up. Look whats going on around us kind of thing. Just when you think the rocks couldn't get any harder to climb.
                "If you have significant difficulty here, dont go any further....it only gets worse".
                (Charles Wells)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mtbikbob View Post
                  Joe,
                  I suggest you check them out.
                  This involves every part of who you are as an American Citizen. The Constitutional rights we possess, given to us from its creators who gave everything they had including their very lives. It involves the right of the President to call anyone one whom he choses, 'unlawful combatants' hence to be 'shot on sight'. Waco and Ruby Ridge are cited examples of abusive governmental power.
                  Just a heads up. Look whats going on around us kind of thing. Just when you think the rocks couldn't get any harder to climb.
                  Hey Bob! How the hell are you? I understand the Constitution and importance of it; I just don't understand the point of this thread seeing that it is focused specifically on this special association. If this was simply meant to be a reminder of our constitution, what's the point of bringing up this association, their oath, or the orders that they won't follow? I've read the constitution and keep a copy on my desk . . . I don't feel the need to be a part of any association to support the principles addressed . . . nor do I see much value in pledges, oaths, and the likes. I find it interesting, that people feel the need to take an oath, make a pledge, or be part of some association in order to do what's right. So without a ring and vows, there's no reason to be true and faithful to the one you love? Without a purity pledge, daughters to have no reason to not be promiscuous? You need to be a card carrying member of this or that association to believe in the principles of the constitution? It's ridiculous and points to a much greater underlying issue that we have in this nation.
                  Last edited by Schmo; 03-21-09, 12:05 PM.
                  That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

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                  • #10
                    I am all for freedom. Having said that, the type of freedom everyone wants is the type of freedom that is killing this country. We are supposed to be the United States of America but the only thing we are united to do is pay taxes and do what we are told. If you want to be a part of something, then Do. If you do not want to be a part of something then Don't. The facts are simple here, when the people do nothing then the politicians will do everything to take whatever they can in the name of whatever the media will pick up on at the moment. The media will pick and choose among the facts that will forward the political agenda to satisfy the politician supporting the political flavor of the month and the people don't even discuss any of it because we are not United in any way. We are sheep and have been for too long. The point of all of these political threads is to raise awareness for the American People to Do something other than putting bread on the table.

                    I question O'bama's goals with this country. It seems to me that every bit of action that he takes is the exact wrong path. I feel he wants to ruin us and put the United States on a path to the U.N. rule and open up the country to invasion. Destroying the financial structures, voiding jobs and taking means of defense all in the name of the opposite is all happening right now. Tell me where the stimulus jobs will be after the short time it takes for them to use up all the money they don't have? I don't believe any of it.
                    :gun: my rifle is not illegal, it's just undocumented... :gun:

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                    • #11
                      Well said!
                      Best, Max7
                      "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" - Benjamin Franklin

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                      • #12
                        Joe

                        Originally posted by Schmo View Post
                        I don't feel the need to be a part of any association to support the principles addressed . . . nor do I see much value in pledges, oaths, and the likes. I find it interesting, that people feel the need to take an oath, make a pledge, or be part of some association in order to do what's right. So without a ring and vows, there's no reason to be true and faithful to the one you love? Without a purity pledge, daughters to have no reason to not be promiscuous? You need to be a card carrying member of this or that association to believe in the principles of the constitution? It's ridiculous and points to a much greater underlying issue that we have in this nation.
                        I’d like to say that I do understand your point, but I feel you may also be missing some of the point. To quote you, “nor do I see much value in pledges, oaths, and the likes.” First off, no one is forcing you to be a card-carrying member of anything, if you choose not to recite the Pledge of Allegiance or not, that’s your business. The pledge or oath you take is your vow to uphold what you believe in! Your ring and vows are your pledge to one another to uphold the sanctity of your marriage! A purity pledge is taken by your daughter in hopes that it will remain in the forefront of her mind every time she is confronted with the thought of being promiscuous. They all mean something to the person or persons taking them. And while there are no guarantees, they are there to guide them and promote the hope that people are good and will do the right thing.

                        I too, took an oath in the military, “To support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." Now, I’m no card-carrying member of the military anymore, but I know that the Oath I took did not expire when I separated from the military and as long as I believe in that oath, I will uphold it.

                        The pledge of Allegiance is also an oath of sorts taken by everyone in the US, every time it’s spoken. I believe that the oath taken by the members of the armed forces or the Pledge of Allegiance said by the people is like a guide of sorts designed to empower them to do the right thing and to follow what they believe in. Those that don’t believe in the oath they took or the pledge they recite should not have take it and those that do, should remain faithful to that vow, and stand true to it.

                        There is no conspiracy, secret society or association that need be joined to be patriotic nor is there anything wrong with standing along side our free brothers and sisters, be them oath takers or not and defending our sovereign rights as citizens of the United States of America.

                        I believe in this country and in the Constitution! I believe that our founding fathers had the right idea! And I know I will stand up and pledge my Allegiance and honor the Oath I took (twice) to defend my rights as long as I live. Because, I believe in it and it’s the right thing to do!

                        My :2:

                        Scott
                        "I got your Jeep Thing....Now it burns when I pee!" :fire:

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                        • #13
                          I hear ya AVJeepFreek . . . it's not really the oath or pledge that I take issue with . . . it's the lack of action behind the pledge or oath. We hear a lot of noise about promises, beliefs, vows, oaths, etc . . . it's just my opinion, but I find all to be worthless without action. Name 5 politicans that haven't made a mockery out of their oath. More than half of marriages end in divorce and there's plenty of dad's out there holding onto a purity pledge, while their 14 year old daughters are giving it up in a public restroom. Shoot even religious leaders can't seem uphold their oaths these days. Would our nation and society be any where close to where it is today if there was any value placed on vows today? Would there really be a need for an association like this to begin with if the majority of oath takers took their oath seriously? I guess I just don't get the whole oath keeping support group thing . . . although O.K.A. does have a really catchy ring to it!!!


                          Don't mind me . . . I'm just a cynic
                          Last edited by Schmo; 03-23-09, 08:48 PM.
                          That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable.

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                          • #14
                            I hear ya!

                            NO problem Joe! I smell what your cookin and I agree! With everything that goes on in todays society, it's hard not to look at the world as half empty! To many of today's politicians have no clue what they are doing. They all have their own adgenda and they dont listen to the people at all!

                            As for the youth of today, they are out of control! (It's sad to say but when a 17 year old stares you down at the mall and says "What the F@$K man" becouse you walked in front of him, makes you wish you could just beat the crap out of him.)

                            I fear for this country and hope that the political events of today dont give way to total chaos!
                            "I got your Jeep Thing....Now it burns when I pee!" :fire:

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