GPS Marking EVERY Front Door in America?

[igofshn]

The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution states:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Again I ask, When do you start to care? After your rights are gone?
Respectfully, Max7

mY RIGHTS ARE NOT BEING VIOLATED. nOBODY IS ENTERING MY HOUSE. Again this info is available already.

[Max7]

mY RIGHTS ARE NOT BEING VIOLATED. nOBODY IS ENTERING MY HOUSE. Again this info is available already.

"MY RIGHTS ARE NOT BEING VIOLATED."

Your argument does not change my mind, I believe the right to privacy is covered in the The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution whether they enter your home or not. I think the people's rights of this Country are being violated.

If this info is already available then why recollect it, especially at tax payers expense in this economic climate?

My paramount question is: Why does the Government need the info?

Best, Max7

[Black & Tan TJ]

"MY RIGHTS ARE NOT BEING VIOLATED."

Your argument does not change my mind, I believe the right to privacy is covered in the The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution whether they enter your home or not. I think the people's rights of this Country are being violated.

If this info is already available then why recollect it, especially at tax payers expense in this economic climate?

My paramount question is: Why does the Government need the info?

Best, Max7

Your question seems rather simple but stirring things up, 4 pages worth on a Jeeping site probably isn't going to get the answer. What is your purpose in posting all this stuff? Do you just feel the need or to be entertaining. Maybe there needs to be a political forum since you post so much of it and this is not really off topic but rather important to someone.

Respectfully, Tom

[igofshn]

"MY RIGHTS ARE NOT BEING VIOLATED."

Your argument does not change my mind, I believe the right to privacy is covered in the The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution whether they enter your home or not. I think the people's rights of this Country are being violated.

If this info is already available then why recollect it, especially at tax payers expense in this economic climate?

My paramount question is: Why does the Government need the info?

Best, Max7

Maybe you should live in Idaho or Montana where they kill people who work for the government.

You appear to think we are turning into a comunist state. We are far from it. Have you ever been to a country that has no rights what so ever or a country that was under marshal law?? I have. It isn't the type place I want to live in. You should feel lucky you live in a country like ours where we can argue points like this. The Phillipines during the 70's and South Korea during the 70's and early 80's was under marshal law. You had to be off the street by a certain time or face getting shot. This wasn't just for americans. It was for people in their own country.

[Schmo]

The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution states:
"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Again I ask, When do you start to care? After your rights are gone?
Respectfully, Max7

I'm all for protecting my Fourth Amendment Rights, but don't see the correlation here. Perhaps your rally against this is sort of a preemptive strike :dunno: But I don't see any of my rights being violated especially when this information is currently readily available.

Your question seems rather simple but stirring things up, 4 pages worth on a Jeeping site probably isn't going to get the answer. What is your purpose in posting all this stuff? Do you just feel the need or to be entertaining. Maybe there needs to be a political forum since you post so much of it and this is not really off topic but rather important to someone.

Respectfully, Tom

That sounds like a great idea . . . or even better, move it to . . .

www.mytinfoilhatrocks.com

404... If they forgot to pay the domain name fee... I'm gonna buy it. LOL
Best, Max7

[womb raider 940]

Can you say PARANOID????? I'm glad I don't get worked up over this crap. If they want, I'll send them gps coordinates of my living room. I don't care.

yes. I agree.

Seems to be alot of this govt is after you and everything you got business around here.

[Max7]

Your question seems rather simple but stirring things up, 4 pages worth on a Jeeping site probably isn't going to get the answer. What is your purpose in posting all this stuff? Do you just feel the need or to be entertaining. Maybe there needs to be a political forum since you post so much of it and this is not really off topic but rather important to someone.

Respectfully, Tom

Tom, I am going to continue to exercise my First Amendment rights, along with you. Thank you for your interest in this thread.
My Best, Max7

[avjeepfreek]

Seems that there are some nay say'ers on here don't belive that anything fishy is going on! and that this isn't the fourm for this kind of stuff! Thats fine, continue to turn a blind eye to the happenings of the world, It's on you! I could care less if you go through life with blinders on!!

Those that stand idley by and say "AHH, Nothing will happen!" or do nothing to protect their rights will be the first to stand up and say WTF just happend when the government steps in and calls a pandemic and starts quarenteening towns or some other government WhoHaw happens and they instill Martial Law and the National Guard floods the streets of america! Com'on people, this is not so far fetched that it can't happen!

They make movies about this Sh!t everyday!

This kind of constructive activisim is good, Open discussion and points of view will hopefully make people think! It's not to cause Parinoia or that we ourselves are parinoid but, instead help those that dont believe our government is up to something, see it from a different prespective! Look around, The government is trying to slowly take our rights away from us everyday, I don't know about you but, I can sure see it! And hey, if nothing happens, thats a good thing but, its best to be prepared, I always say!


I understand that some of you feel the need to cut this post apart and single out the retoric and play it to you advantage or to try and show that some of us may be hanging out on the fringe of reality but, last time I checked, I still have the freedom of speech and of thought. So, your attempts mean nothing.

We do live in a great country and for that reason, I will do or say everything I can to keep it that way!

Respectfully, Scott

[womb raider 940]

Com'on people, this is not so far fetched that it can't happen!

They make movies about this Sh!t everyday!

they are exactly that movies.

[Schmo]

Tom, I am going to continue to exercise my First Amendment rights, along with you. Thank you for your interest in this thread.
My Best, Max7

Seems that there are some nay say'ers on here don't belive that anything fishy is going on! and that this isn't the fourm for this kind of stuff!

This has nothing to do with your First Amendment rights . . . no one here is trying to silence you or take away your freedom of speech. But perhaps a JEEP Forum is not the best place for your incessant politically charged diatribes. As mentioned before, perhaps a new Political section needs to be added or perhaps a sister site dedicated to political rhetoric needs to be formed (looks like "MyRhetoricRocks.com" is also available). When over 90% of your posts have absolutely nothing to do with Jeeping, some may wonder why you choose a Jeep Forum as your medium to promote your political agenda.

[Kodiak Spirit]

I am amazed that so many who don't believe it's a problem have such time to voice an opposition to this thread. Dislike usually doesn't garner such attention, unless a chord is struck. I was ignorant to the facts of trail closure untill I started jeeping and meeting real enthusiasts out on the trails, I never knew how many trails I could have run before they were closed. The public at large has no idea how many miles of sweet sweet jeep trails are close to them because they have no interest in the subject and don't believe trail closures are an infringement of their rights in any way. Those that oppose this thread must feel the same, because most have never driven those trails and don't feel that they were taken away because they were never available in the first place.

I have to agree to some point that the plot maps, site plans and even most house floor plans and layouts are available to the public at the surveyors office. I understand that at some time during construction city or county inspectors visited these sites and approved the work, and if you want to put a shed in the back yard you need to pay a fee and get a permit to do so. None of that is the issue here.

The problem is the way the data is collected and catologed and available to everyone. I don't like the google earth and maps thing, I know a quite a few criminals that used these tools to plan the crimes they commited, they brag about them all the time. The internet has become a wealth of information for the world to use for our plunder and everyone who thinks for a few minutes will easily find a way to capitalize on that. The Hacker culture in China is one of these newly enabled problems that we are facing as we put more and more information on computers and tie them to networks. Your information is all over for anyone to take advantage of, and even moving to remote land and building fences is not keeping these new intrusions away.

[dirtman13]

You know what I like about this site is that you can choose to read a post or not, choose to reply or not, choose to ignore someone or not, and more importantly speak your mind or not.

Very simple choose and enjoy.:smile:

[Kodiak Spirit]

:thumbs_up I'll wheel with ya any day, man!

[Max7]

Maybe you should live in Idaho or Montana where they kill people who work for the government.

You appear to think we are turning into a comunist state. We are far from it. Have you ever been to a country that has no rights what so ever or a country that was under marshal law?? I have. It isn't the type place I want to live in. You should feel lucky you live in a country like ours where we can argue points like this. The Phillipines during the 70's and South Korea during the 70's and early 80's was under marshal law. You had to be off the street by a certain time or face getting shot. This wasn't just for americans. It was for people in their own country.

Igofshn,

Thank you for your debate, an art that has almost entirely died in our Country.

Yes I have been to a few third world Countries in the last decade Malaysia, Indonesia and Mexico. Although they were all wonderful to visit as a U.S. citizen yet I would not want to live in and be governed by any of those Countries. I will continue to live right where I am, speak with freedom, as my rectitude governs my actions. I feel very fortunate to live in a Country with blind liberty, and I wish to maintain those essential freedoms.

I believe that if we do not rise up in opposition to the new administration's policies and budding globalist agenda we will irreparably become socialist Country, most certainly Communism is absolutely not a stretch...

If you are not familiar with the "North American Union, its no wonder. The media campaign to deny the reality of the move towards a North American Union in the mold of the European Union, which would encompass a merging of the economies of The US, Canada and Mexico will in fact be an essential step toward globalization and more specifically equalize the United States of America with the second and third world. The Globalist's are creating three things, a One World Government, a One World Religion and a One World Currency."

I believe Obama is a puppet of perpetual danger to our Country. His patriotism is hollow. The media is still his number one fan. Some great deal of Americans apparently seem to have adopted what the main stream media purports as the truth, instead of seeking the truth for themselves and unfortunately a percentage of the people in this Country have forgotten ( or in some cases are ignoring) that the Constitution of the United States of America is the supreme law of the land, the Nations fundamental law.

Obama has appointed an administration of faithless law attorneys who are poised to attack The United States Constitution under the guise of the betterment of the world, (No, that is not a mistake, I did write the world). It is a perpetuation of the NWO.

Our country has been pushed in this direction for many years, the difference now is we are witnessing an overthrowing of our beloved Country before our very eyes at the most rapid pace. Everything this administration has done and is planning to do is upside down. It is the story of Alice in Wonderland. Obama is an extremist on most every issue. There are very few if any extreme left-wing positions he does not embrace. There is no doubt that an Obama administration working with a Democrat majority in Congress will fundamentally alter this nation in ways that will be difficult if not impossible to reset. Obama and the majority Congress is the danger to our Country.

Martial law... "can be used by governments to enforce their rule, crack down on the opposition, or declared in cases of major natural disasters, but most countries use a different legal construct as does ours: a "state of emergency". The suspension of the writ of habeas corpus is likely to occur."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

The United States Constitution specifically included the English common law procedure in the Suspension Clause, located in Article One, Section 9. It states: “ The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion, the public safety may require it."

"Imagine a crisis is a foot [could be a second stronger swine flu pandemic, or anything, later this year,] and martial law is put into place. U.S. troops need to round up particular folks," he wrote.

"Let's take this a step further. After all, with Barack Obama desiring to decrease the number of folks in the military, and with forces committed worldwide, we may not have sufficient military forces at home to deal with a rising national emergency. If the government decided to rely on foreign troops, perhaps United Nations personnel, most of which may not understand the street signs, much less know the lay of the land, they could use GPS devices to direct them to your front door..."

A number of concerned citizens have contacted WND about the program, and repeatedly have cited warnings delivered by the GPS squad members that their failure to allow the readings would result in fines and possibly imprisonment under Title 13, which allows the census to be taken...

But repeatedly they've gotten no answers when asked what a GPS reading has to do with the number of people living at the home...

"Enhancing the concerns is the Obama administration's recent decision to put White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel in an oversight role over the census, which will be used to determine a reapportionment of congressional seats and could be used to solidify a single political party's control over the nation, its budget, military and future. "

Read the entire article released today Wed May 6,2009 source; http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=97208




"Property must be secured, or liberty cannot exist." -- John Adams

Best, Max7

[Max7]

This has nothing to do with your First Amendment rights . . . no one here is trying to silence you or take away your freedom of speech. But perhaps a JEEP Forum is not the best place for your incessant politically charged diatribes.

Even though I disagree with you completely, I will fight to my last breath to defend your rights.

Best, Max7